Re: [Nolug] Radius & Tacacs+

From: Jeremy (mailing list box) <listbox_at_unix-boy.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:23:08 -0600
Message-ID: <4976249C.8040809@unix-boy.com>

Dennis J Harrison Jr wrote:
> 'The' Developer?

Yeah, the Samba team. *rolls eyes* Just like Microsoft is referred
to as the developer of Windows, Valve as the developer of Steam, ERSI as
the developer or ArcGIS, the kernel team as the developer of the Linux
kernel.

> Anyway, you shouldn't be afraid to self certify the software you
> use... since at the end of the day, the user is going to look to you,
> or whoever you train. So if you have the responsibility to repair and
> progress. Shouldn't you also have the knowledge? I am not saying use
> every bit of new fangled 'gee wiz' code out there. Just that if you
> wait for 'The' Developer (lol) to certify code before you even touch
> it... that you will miss out on a lot of what open source (and
> hopefully free) can bring to the table.

Actually, when I have the time to mess with software that interests me,
I play with it. But I keep software that isn't deemed release
quality, especially when the developer of the software says it isn't,
away from my production networks and servers.

Uptime, stability, disaster recovery and performance are the things I
focus on in my production environment. I'm not going to put anything I
am not 100% sure of into the mix that will jeopardize any of those aims.

> Don't we want to progress and solve new problems instead of rehashing
> the same old problems over and over? And how can we as developers be
> expected to do that when the majority of users are just hangers on
> waiting for that special moment in time when the sun and moon and
> stars all align and I make it easy for them to use my code to make
> money without any thought / input of their own beyond following the
> configuration templates?

Are you serious? Are you complaining because software users out there
are not eager to jump up and down, run everything in debug mode and
submit patches or documentation? Seriously, do you not know the world
in which we work?

The fact is that it has always been that way and is not like to change
now that computer technology is available to the masses. If we were in
the sixties or seventies, when computer users were likely to be admins
or developers, your expectation might have traction. However, most
users don't have a clue how any of this computer or internet "stuff"
works. That's the reason I have the job I do and get paid the money I
do - people don't care how it works, it just has to work.

> I also take it personally that you think I would abuse a relationship
> with anyone (customer or otherwise) to the point of absolute
> dependence. That would be irresponsible, and something I stay very
> far away from.

Having worked with companies that foisted incomplete, beta and, in some
cases, alpha quality software upon us to "use" or "resell" to the
clients (a product called Stellent comes to mind from my past), I am
highly suspicious of anyone who uses beta or alpha quality products in
production environments, especially when they charged by the hour or
incident.

J
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