Re: [Nolug] MEETING TIME AND LOCATION

--- Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 04:41, Eddie Benson wrote:
> > On 22 Nov 2002, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 10:00, Brett D. Estrade wrote:
> > > > It pains me to hold a mostly different personal opinion than that of a
> > > > man who would quote the
> > > > great Merle Haggard...oh, well to each his own.
> > >
> > > Do you mean my "opinion" regarding *BSD, or Berkley, or both?
> > >
> > > I really have no animosity towards *BSD, and even though I run Debian,
> > > have no philosophical animosity towards the BSD license. It's just
> > > bad luck that UCB was involved in that lawsuit with ATT right around
> > > the time that Linux was born. That, and the appeal of the
> > > semi-democratic appeal of the Linux development model.
> > > If *BSD were to replace Windows or a proprietary Unix in a given
> > > organization, I'd be just as happy as if it were Linux.
> >
> > laf...ok, can't we all get along? The fact that Linux IMHO has an actual
> > chance of gaining some serious ground in 2003, is a marvelous thing.
> > Where is this going to leave everyone? Hmmm...ok...how open is it TRULY
> > going to stay. The corporate intitiys that are taking Linux there,
> > RedHat, and probaby the only project that has the ability to compete with
> > them on a corporate level, UnitedLinux, will surely become no better than
> > MS in their drive for profits so where does that leave me.
>
> Using Debian or Slackware or Gentoo.
>
> > <GRIN> Right
> > where I started with "UNIX LIKE" OS's...BSD of any sort. Don't get me
> > wrong, I'm pulling for Linux over MS, but I can still remember choosing
> > FreeBSD over Linux in 95 because Linux at that time didn't even bother to
> > shadow passwords, and besides, anything you can run on Linux, I can run on
> > FreeBSD.
>
> Remember, in 1995, *BSD was ~17 years old, whereas Linux was 4.
> Is there a Linux-compatibility layer in FreeBSD? I though I'd
> heard of such.

Yes; and if you are using this as proof if inferiority, I say it is a testiment to the *BSD
community to capitalize on the popularity of Linux and the variety of apps that sprung up around
it - aren't we all supposed to be in this together?

>
> And, unless there is that *exact* compatibility layer, you can't
> run apps like Oracle[89], DB2, etc. Lastly, what kind of Java is
> there for *BSD, and does Wine (and it's derivatives) run?

Um .. yes, yes, and yes. I think it would be good for all of us to do our homework before making
these kind of claims. BTW, FreeBSD just got a native SUN JDK, although it is still going through
some growing pains.

Like I said in the past, I use all types of *nixes on a daily basis, but when I come home, I like
to use FreeBSD. Its not because I don't like the others, it is because I like FreeBSD MORE...from
what I've seen most other users of alternate OS's use them because they hate the alternatives.

>
> > > As for women in Berkley, I try not to think about them.
> >
> > I think of women from everywhere, continuously....
>
> All those strident, left-of-Abby Hoffman Womens Studies "women"?
> There's enough good looking women down here.

No doubt about that...

Brett

>
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> | |
> | "they love our milk and honey, but preach about another |
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 this.url1="http://www.brettsbsd.net/";
 this.eFax="(253)484-8755";
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