Re: [Nolug] for all you brainy types...

From: B. Estrade <>
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:45:34 -0500
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:10:41AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> That's pretty racist.
> I've been working mostly with Indians since 1994 and they're just as
> (in)competent as the white (haven't worked with many blacks)
> programmers, systems analysts and DBA I work with.

My experience is that it's a function of opportunity and demographic
trends. That's why there's a ton of Indians and Whites. There are very
few women, blacks, and hispanics. The technical people in those
demographics, however, tend to be exceptional.

I've worked with many Indians and Chinese. All have been good, but the
sheer number of them lends to their numbers here. And an Indian friend
of mine once told me when I remarked how impressive most Indians in
America were, think of all the duds you don't see that are back home.
In otherwords, the ones you see in America are the best of the best.
If roles were reversed, they'd think all Americans were brilliant and
we'd think most Indians were lazy and fat. And, I am sure their
impression of PHP apps coming out of Kentucky by Moonshine Industries
would not be good.


> On 09/15/2011 08:35 AM, Shannon Roddy wrote:
>>I've been working an issue that cropped up in the middle of the night on
>>Monday all week, and have been working with techs from Amsterdam. While
>>they are not shifted 12 hours time, it has been enough of a shift (8 hours)
>>that the times work well as I am able to do the disruptive testing during
>>non-business hours this week. I can't tell you what day it is right now,
>>but working with these guys in Amsterdam is sooooo much better than trying
>>to talk to an Indian on the phone in a noisy server room. These guys have
>>been competent and speak English extremely well.
>>Just food for thought. I have no idea what it would cost to hire such
>>types, but I can tell you that I appreciate that my support contract
>>have been going to competent English speaking techs without an Indian
>>On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Dustin
>>>We use a resource in India for some of our NOC operations (backup errors
>>>mostly). Honestly, the cost is not that far from a US resource, so that
>>>isn?t the real reason we use him. Instead, the fact that he works in a
>>>different time zone is a huge benefit since these errors come up late at
>>>night?so he is able to work them when they occur rather than 12 hours
>>>That said, while he is technically sophisticated (he has tons of
>>>experience), there are communication issues (mostly cultural). We?ve had
>>>learn how to talk to one another after various meetings on the topic. You
>>>have to find the right person/people and really work at it to make the
>>>relationship effective.****
>>>** **
>>>Dustin Puryear****
>>>Puryear IT, LLC - We see IT differently.****
>>>Baton Rouge, LA - 225-706-8414 x1112****
>>>** **
>>>** **
>>>*From:* [mailto:
>>>] *On Behalf Of *Chris Jones
>>>*Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:15 PM
>>>*Subject:* Re: [Nolug] for all you brainy types...****
>>>** **
>>>I have a unique way of looking at things that most good computer techs
>>>to have in common. I haven't spoken to anybody over in India who thinks
>>>this way. In other words, their grasp of underlying technologies seems to
>>>be pretty low, and their troubleshooting skills typically involve reading
>>>from a script and following a flow chart.****
>>>On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Joey Kelly<> wrote:***
>>>On Wed September 14 2011 7:17 pm, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
>>>>Clint Billedeaux<> writes:
>>>>>You post this as I try to pry the boss away from India's very talented
>>>>>programming pool
>>>>I've no doubt there are talented programmers in India (the WMF is
>>>>especially interested in India lately, so I've talked to one or two of
>>>>the programmers there) but most of the raw data I've seen doesn't match
>>>>the "very talented" tag.
>>>In my limited experience with Indian outsourcing, the techs all seem to
>>>the same shortcomings, and have apparently read the same inadequate
>>>(read "oftentimes wrong") books, thus making the same mistakes.
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