RE: [Nolug] cox new orleans outage? - Cause and Explanation

Hi Ray.

Some people do "resell" BellSouth services, including ADSL. Most ISP's
however are set up as "NSP" (Network Service Providers) with BellSouth.
This means that we can purchase certain services from BellSouth and do with
them as we see fit. This means that we route the ADSL traffic to our own
sites and handle it there. This is the same way that FastAccess is set up,
actually. We all share the same status.

There's a FCC tariff which defines all of this.

So, I prefer to tell people: No I don't resell BellSouth. But they do
subcontract to me to provide part of the link (from the CO to the user, then
over their ATM backbone to me). Encapsulation, logins, DNS, mail and web
services, tech support, troubleshooting, etc are all from me (or whichever
NSP) not BellSouth.

The NSP interfaces with BellSouth (the phone company, not the Internet side)
to set up the ADSL stuff and troubleshoot it. The customer doesn't end up
in the middle.

This is now most ISP's selling ADSL work, including Southern Star, I-55,
DigiComm, Gulf South, etc.... Most other DSL providers sell SDSL and they
mostly use or resell Covad's services. Verizon and Sprint generally do
their own thing, too, but I don't think that either of them is active in the
New Orleans area. Sprint was for a while a few years ago, but they dropped
out. Verizon is gradually expanding, so perhaps they will one day.

I hope this helps.

John

    John Souvestre - Southern Star - (504) 888-3348 - www.sstar.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nolug@joeykelly.net [mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net] On Behalf
Of -ray
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:21 PM
To: nolug@joeykelly.net
Subject: Re: [Nolug] cox new orleans outage? - Cause and Explanation

Probably not. I'll let John speak for SStar, but he is pretty dependent
on Bellsouth for providing DSL to you since they own the "last mile" of
copper to your house.

Unless John is willing to run a copper pair from his office to your house
;). "Reselling" is a bad word... maybe we could get John to enlighten us
a bit on the relationship between Bellsouth and local DSL providers.

ray

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Jeff Lee wrote:

> Does SStar work the same as verizon?
>
>
> >From: -ray <ray@ops.selu.edu>
> >Reply-To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> >To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> >Subject: Re: [Nolug] cox new orleans outage? - Cause and Explanation
> >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:00:04 -0500 (CDT)
> >
> >
> >No you can't. That is because Bellsouth won't unbundle their voice and
> >data services, which is a load of crap. I suggest you file a complaint
> >with the La Public Service Commission (LPSC), and try to contact Jay
> >Blossman (or the commissioner for your district,
> >http://www.lpsc.org/commissioners.asp) and let them know. I already
> >have. Be sure to tell them that Verizon recently unbundled their
> >services, no reason why Bellsouth can't.
> >
> >I doubt it will do any good. From what i hear, Bellsouth has the entire
> >LPSC so far in their pockets, it's not even funny. Wouldn't surprise me
> >if Blossman was the worst... (he's been accused of "accepting gifts" many
> >times before).
> >
> >ray
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Jeff Lee wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Well, for me cox cable internet is 25$ a month. I dont have a house
> >phone,
> > > could I still get DSL?
> > >
> > > >From: Dave Cash <dave@gnofn.org>
> > > >Reply-To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> > > >To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> > > >Subject: Re: [Nolug] cox new orleans outage? - Cause and Explanation
> > > >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:15:54 -0500 (CDT)
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Jeff Lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This may have been asked already but I was wondering how much it
> >would
> > > >cost
> > > > > or if it is even possible to open these ports on residential
> >service. If
> > > >not
> > > > > where can I find the prices for non-res service?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mainly I would use this for demoing and offsite backup when our t1

> >goes
> > > > > down.
> > > >
> > > >Unless you have to stay with Cox for some reason, I suggest going
> > > >with DSL. I have a $50/month residential account with i-55.com (a
> > > >Hammond company). All ports are open in and out and I have a static
> > > >IP. And they have no problem with me running multiple computers off
> > > >the one account; they just won't give tech support for said network.
> > > >
> > > >The bandwidth is 1.5Mbps down and 256kbps up.
> > > >
> > > >Just my $0.02.
> > > >
> > > >Dave
> > > >
> > > >/L\_/E\_/A\_/R\_/N\_/T\_/E\_/A\_/C\_/H\_/L\_/E\_/A\_/R\_/N\
> > > >Dave Cash Power to the People!
> > > >Frolicking in Fields of Garlic Right On-Line!
> > > >dave@gnofn.org Dig it all.
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