Re: [Nolug] Who usually shows up for meetings?

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Petri Laihonen <pietu@weblizards.net> wrote:
> I know, "socialism" is a curse word here..... I guess it is deeply rooted
> fear of Russia, which we know now did not do quite well.

Not Russia, just every nation that has tried to impose it. My problem
with it is that it doesn't scale. For example, "socialism" on a
family scale works well - this is the natural order of things. Beyond
that, it doesn't work so well and the natural ties that serve as the
required constraints do not exist. This is where you get into
problems.

The growing federal government of the US is exhibiting problems of
scale that I believe are rooted at the inroads that socialism has made
over the years, yet for some unknown reason the answer to big
government problems is always more government.

> I just know that a good balance of "socialism" and "capitalism" do work
> well.
> Is there a word for the combination of two?
>

Yes, "Finland"? ... jk ;)

Brett

> Petri
>
> However, extremes of them would never work for everyone.
>
> Petri
>
> Dennis J Harrison Jr wrote:
>
> Holy socialism batman!
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Petri Laihonen <pietu@weblizards.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Jeremy (mailing list box) wrote:
>
>
> B. Estrade wrote:
>
>
> Americans hold self reliance as a core virtue. This is not. "me, me, me."
> It is rejecting the notion that we have a right to live in a nanny state.
> That is not selfishness. I think you'll find most Americans quite charitable
> and concerned for their fellow man.
>
>
>
> There is a distinct point at which self reliance works to the detriment of
> everyone, include the self and morphs into absolute self-centeredness. And
> I'd argue that this country is fast marching to that point, and in some
> cases, has already crossed it (look at Enron and the more recent corporate
> scandals).
>
> The problem is for society to advance, you can't cling blindly to the self
> reliance dogma. Sometimes collective will and effort is required. In
> fact, much of what exists today was not accomplished through self reliance,
> including things like the Internet and the standards that we use every day
> in out jobs.
>
> When the concept of collective will and effort is blindly dismissed as
> promoting a "nanny state" or dismissed as being some socialistic or
> communist idea, then rational thought has left the building.
>
> J
>
>
> Well said !!
> There are always things in a country as a whole which must work, and should
> be properly governed to work better. (For all of us)
>
> Petri
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