Re: [Nolug] Nolug on G+?

From: Jess Planck <>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:39:10 -0500
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It is very true that social media integration with websites works well for those willing to spend the effort and time. Before the social mess-edia that we have now, your only channels were the search engines and directly listings. Social media sites are now giving a targeted location for those eyeballs, and it's free (in exchange for a measure of your privacy sliced up for targeted advertising)

For those that take it further, the integration opens up additional areas broadening the reach of discussion. The only true downsides are the effort required for the integration and time spent keeping the communication going. The good part is that for organizations like NOLUG the effort can be as much or as little as desired. In most OSS web CMS tools this is accomplished trivially with modules and plugins already developed by some decent developers.

Just don't be that <unnamed local business> that posts to <facebook page> constantly thinking in ignorance they are reaching an audience when they are actually just flooding social media worker/admin inboxes with their weekly/daily/hourly specials. ;)


On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Dustin Puryear <> wrote:

> I think there would be a lot of value of having NOLUG on multiple social media sites. You can integrate those sites with your website so you still only need to maintain one "main" site. It's less about replacing and more about advertising and extending your visibility.
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> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:37:46AM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote:
>> On 8/12/12, Joey Kelly <> wrote:
>>> How much spam have we gotten in the last, oh, 13 years? How many "me too!"
>>> posts?
>>> My point is this... forums (we had one, years ago) and facebook offer little
>>> to no barrier to entry... it seems to me that mailing lists seem to weed out
>> Yes, but that's both an advantage and a disadvantage.
>> Higher barrier entry = you fly under the radar, but fewer people
>> become aware of your existence = fewer users = smaller quantity of
>> input as well.
> G+ is for more targeted, technical entities.
> I thought about this because I see these tech boom articles about New
> Orleans, but it seems like they don't know there has been a *nix
> presence in NOLA for *years. I thought under this right might could
> use some sunlight.
> BRLUG has a FB page and it's locked down well. I do like G+ for
> technical people.
> I'm just trying to suggest some ways to get noticed and take some
> credit for the "boom" - unless there is none to be created. I could be
> wrong.
> Being a curmudgeon serves no one well 100% of the time, and if I
> could think of a good reason to have FB or G+ at this point, it's because
> perhaps it will be free of said surliness.
> Brett
>> I know that spammers target addresses I have subscribed only to
>> mailing lists, probably by extracting From e-mail addresses of posts
>> that are printed in public archives with only the most trivial of
>> address obfuscation techniques, such as "" or
>> "user at".
>> And very few cases where a spammer ever subb'ed directly to a list --
>> it's really no surprise that there would be little direct spam; ask
>> that question when your mailing list has 50000 members maybe.
>>> the idiots and the drive-by cluelessness that forums breed.
>> Use the right tool for the right job.
>> Forums have another problem, in that keeping a reliable personal copy
>> of the discussion for future reference is very inefficient for users,
>> participants are forced to use a web browser to compose responses
>> which has quirks like no way to save a draft, in-progress work is
>> lost if browser crashes or login session times out; forum software
>> is also often architected in a manner that allows people to "tamper"
>> with the conversation, for example, by deleting or changing
>> content after it's been sent, or "freezing" a discussion so new
>> content can be added, even when there is still beneficial input to be
>> made.
>> And pages become cluttered with annoyances such as HTML, "avatars"
>> and graphical signatures. In other words: not all bells and
>> whistles are good ones.
>> I would say that Forums and Social networking sites are for very short
>> temporal conversations and sharing of time-sensitive information
>> that you wouldn't ever need to keep a long-term record of.
>> But they can do things that are very useful or more efficient than
>> what mailing lists can do.
>> Mailing lists are for serious discussions, debates, and anything
>> requiring a large amount of text to be exchanged.
>>> OK, so I had to lock down the wiki due to scripted pharmacy spam, but you
>>> get
>>> my point.
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>>> Joey Kelly
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