FWIW, Facebook uses a myriad of technologies up and down the stack. I knew
about their PHP->C++ s2s translator, but not HipHop. It's interesting what
they do with dynamic languages these days, and I see it is a VM/Runtime/JIT
compiler - there are many efforts like this for many languages. Facebook
also is investigating D, as evidenced by the fact that they sponsored the
last D Conference.
Anyway, I like to see all languages progress and only argue that I like one
over the other or that one is better for a specific purpose over the other.
I've been following PHP since 1997, so it's come a long way.
Brett
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Jerry Wilborn <jerrywilborn@gmail.com>wrote:
> Facebook, arguably the largest web application in existence, is built on
> LAMP(HP). Facebook has done their part to move the language [
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HipHop_for_PHP] and mysql [
> https://www.facebook.com/MySQLatFacebook].
>
> Jerry Wilborn
> jerrywilborn@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:07 AM, B. Estrade <estrabd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you're asking for a fight! :P ... unless you show the 2 scripts,
>> there is no way to tell if, for example you replaced a really slow custom
>> routine with one of PHP 8,000 optimized, supported function calls. Just
>> because Perl doesn't pollute its name space and provides a minimal set of
>> non-Unix related functions doesn't mean that it can scream with speed. You
>> just know how to get it be nice to you.
>>
>> PHP is fine for small scale sites. Not fine for system scripts. It's a
>> template language, no more functional than Perl's TemplateToolkit. In fact,
>> if TT was around when PHP was first created as a Perl script, then PHP
>> would never have been born.
>>
>> That said, PHP was my second "web" language (following close on the heels
>> of HTMLScript/MivaScript). Perl was actually for me a systems language
>> first, then I decided to make the leap into using it for web and have been
>> very happy with it. For example Perl's CGI::Application + TT is a win all
>> day long, and this is even in light of the PSGI based Perl frameworks out
>> there.
>>
>> I know PHP is very popular and I think that if it gets people to program,
>> then it's a win no matter what. It definitely has Perl beat when it comes
>> to accessibility and learning curve.
>>
>> Brett
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Jerry Wilborn <jerrywilborn@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Throwing down the gauntlet(!): I believe I could port any Perl parsing
>>> script to PHP that would best it in simplicity and speed. One (slightly
>>> off topic) example is I've ported
>>> https://code.google.com/p/snmp-session/ to PHP and the speed was
>>> significantly increased (doubled) on similar hardware.
>>>
>>> That said, I'm reminded of the phrase "when your only tool is a hammer,
>>> everything looks like a nail." I think all of the languages have their
>>> advantages; PHP just seems to have so many more. ;)
>>>
>>> Jerry Wilborn
>>> jerrywilborn@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:46 PM, John Fox <john@foxfin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> #! /usr/bin/perl.
>>>>
>>>> I work in the financial industry, thus run ETLs on massive text files
>>>> from mainframe datasets.
>>>>
>>>> Larry Wall rocks........
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> John Fox
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On August 20, 2013 9:41:21 PM Joey Kelly <joey@joeykelly.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I started out with PHP, then switched to Perl some years back, after
>>>>> which my skills and understanding blossomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's me... what about you? Friends tell me that folks are choosing
>>>>> PHP
>>>>> less, now that Ruby and node.js are in town. What are your opinions of
>>>>> those, and of Java? I'm not even mentioning languages that run on That
>>>>> Other Operating System, because this is a family-oriented list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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