Re: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet service... from pcguy1_at

From: pcguy1_at_cox.net
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:06:22 -0500
Message-Id: <20021212190622.MKQE26808.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Sorry about the HTML email. I forgot the stupid Pocomail did HTML by default.

Cheers,
Charles
>
> From: Manuel Lora <vanguardist@cox.net>
> Date: 2002/12/12 Thu PM 12:38:56 EST
> To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet service...
>
> someone needs to join the anti-HTML email webring :)
>
> ml
>
>
> On Thursday 12 December 2002 11:36, Eddie Benson wrote:
> > eww..that's fugley.....
> >
> > > <HTML><HEAD>
> > > </HEAD>
> > > <BODY>
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Good evening
> >
> > everyone. You've got to love the threads that go
> > around</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> when I'm trying
> >
> > to lurk and get some work done. I had to just chime</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> in on this
> >
> > issue. Let me say, I love the company I work for most
> > of</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the time. I don't
> >
> > always agree with the decisions that are made</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> above
> >
> > me. However, they do direct deposit my pay so I have
> > to</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> enforce the rules
> >
> > the legal department puts forth.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> As for as
> > the original questions: 1. No static IPs on the
> > residential</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> service. Yes it
> >
> > is DHCP, and yes it should be dynamic but if a</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customer is
> >
> > securing his or her network with a firewall that is on</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> all the time then
> >
> > when the IP lease is up for renewal it will</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> normally be
> >
> > reassigned....</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 2. Most
> > of the services you listed are against the AUP.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 3. The
> > speeds you are looking for are currently part of the
> > basic</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> residential
> >
> > service. Of course, you won't always realize those</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> speeds because of
> >
> > Internet congestion and slow routers on the</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Internet. If you
> >
> > don't believe me I could show you some "BGP"</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Internet routes
> >
> > that would make your head spin.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Horror
> > stories? Do you have a few days? I could tell you
> > some</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> stories. Yes we
> >
> > had many issues when we were partnered with the</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Excite@Home
> >
> > corporation. Of course we had some growing pains at
> > the</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> beginning of this
> >
> > year as well. Try Planning, engineering, ordering</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> and taking
> >
> > delivery of enough equipment to run a complete ISP and
> > a</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> complete
> >
> > nationwide backbone. All in the time span of 30
> > days. And</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> then keep a large
> >
> > amount of customers up while converting them over</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> to the above
> >
> > network.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Except
> > for individual issues I would hope that most customers
> > would</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> tell you that
> >
> > their experience recently and currently is good. As</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> for the
> >
> > Internet... Take into consideration that between cable
> > modem,</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> DSL, and ADSL
> >
> > providers. There are about a million customers added</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> each month in the
> >
> > US alone. Think about the fact that all of the</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers now have
> >
> > access to an always on connection.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Today
> > most people would not think twice about starting multiple
> > 10</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> meg
> >
> > downloads. Back when we were dialing into BBSs we would start
> > a</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 1 or 2 meg
> >
> > download just before going to bed and pray that it
> > would</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> "finish"
> >
> > by the time we woke up the next morning.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> As for
> > the "68.14.X.X" IP blocks. If you obtain one from the
> > DHCP</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> server it is a
> >
> > mistake. This block is reserved for our business</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers. And
> >
> > yes since they are part of the business block of</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> course they will
> >
> > allowed servers to pass traffic. If you are</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > "borrowing" one, down and dirty you are
> > stealing.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Some
> > people have been caught and quietly handled. Others have
> > gotten</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> away with
> >
> > abuse. Let me just say that a large part of my teams</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> effort has been to
> >
> > provide a consistently reliable service for our</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers. I
> >
> > believe we've done a good job. All the while growing</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the network and
> >
> > adding reliability. That was then, during this first</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> year of a
> >
> > "Self-Reliant" Cox Network.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Well,
> > this is now and I can say that the emphasis is
> > growing. Abuse</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> and continued
> >
> > security issues are being pressed. The local team</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> along with a large
> >
> > well trained security team in corporate is in</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> place and working
> >
> > to limit, catch and if needed prosecute abusers.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Thanks
> > for the opportunity to answer your questions and dump a
> > little</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> bit. Of course if
> >
> > anyone has any questions I'm available to help.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> I'm trying to make
> >
> > the dinner meeting so I can meet more of you guys.</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> > Cheers,</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Charles
> >
> > Jouglard</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Senior System
> >
> > Engineer</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Regional Abuse
> >
> > Administrator</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Cox
> >
> > Louisiana</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> High Speed
> >
> > Internet Division</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 504-390-
> >
> > 4432</FONT></b></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> >
> > </FONT></b><div> </div>
> >
> > > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> </FONT></b><div><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at
> > 03:35:46PM -0600, Robert Cochran wrote:</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> >1) If they can
> >
> > catch you they're not doing a good job.</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> Trust me. it's easy. They may not
> > be doing it now but they ought to</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> be and probably will
> >
> > at some point. Besides it's rude to steal an IP</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> in this
> >
> > manner. However, if you can get it DHCP-assigned then
> > bob's</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> your Uncle. If you
> >
> > can find a 68.14.x.x address that you're</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> connected to, you can
> >
> > get your dhcp client to request this address</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> and possibly obtain
> >
> > it if it is indeed free. This will bug no one</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> and is perfectly
> >
> > legit.</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> once you get the
> >
> > lease, I can tell you firsthand that it is highly</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> unlikely to change
> >
> > presuming you're not one to power off your</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> firewall.</FONT></div>
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> </FONT><div><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> >2) Your IP address had to
> > change (@home had a 24.0.0.0/8 and cox.net</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> >owns 68.0.0.0 -
> >
> > 68.15.0.0)</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> You misunderstand my post. That
> > is the last time my address changed.</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> How many months ago
> >
> > was that?</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> </FONT><div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> -----Original Message-----
> > </FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> From: owner-
> >
> > nolug@joeykelly.net [<a href="mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]
> > On">mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]On</a></FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Behalf Of Scott
> >
> > Harney Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:17 PM</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> To:
> >
> > nolug@joeykelly.net Subject: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">
> >
> > service...</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Not a good idea. 1) they could
> > catch you. easily. actually I'm</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> surprised this works
> >
> > at all (hint: cable-source-verify though one</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> could use mark-only
> >
> > to catch violators) 2) how do you know your UBR</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> has IP address pools
> >
> > within 68.14.0.0/16?</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> You
> >
> > don't.</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> That said, I can say my IP has
> > never changed since the @home->Cox</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> HSI
> >
> > transition.</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div> </div>
> > > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at
> > 03:01:12PM -0600, David wrote:</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> There is a way to get
> >
> > a "good", i.e. ports 80, 25, etc., static IP</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> from </FONT><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> the </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"
> > SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> residential cox service if you can mange to get
> > an address on the</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> 68.14.*.*
> >
> > </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> network. All you
> > have to do is find an address thats not in use on</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the 68.14.*.* network
> >
> > and, borrow it. Even better, try your luck</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> at getting
> >
> > </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> the </FONT><FONT
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> DHCP server into giving you one of
> > those addresses and you'll be</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> better </FONT><FONT
> >
> > FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> off.</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> I hope I did'nt just
> >
> > shoot myself in the foot by telling everyone this.</FONT></div>
> >
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Oh</FONT></div>
> > > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> well.</FONT></div>
> > > </body></html>
> > >
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