Re: [Nolug] Need new internet service...

From: Manuel Lora <vanguardist_at_cox.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:38:56 -0600
Message-Id: <200212121138.56962.vanguardist@cox.net>

someone needs to join the anti-HTML email webring :)

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On Thursday 12 December 2002 11:36, Eddie Benson wrote:
> eww..that's fugley.....
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> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Good evening
>
> everyone. You've got to love the threads that go
> around</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> when I'm trying
>
> to lurk and get some work done. I had to just chime</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> in on this
>
> issue. Let me say, I love the company I work for most
> of</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the time. I don't
>
> always agree with the decisions that are made</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> above
>
> me. However, they do direct deposit my pay so I have
> to</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> enforce the rules
>
> the legal department puts forth.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> As for as
> the original questions: 1. No static IPs on the
> residential</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> service. Yes it
>
> is DHCP, and yes it should be dynamic but if a</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customer is
>
> securing his or her network with a firewall that is on</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> all the time then
>
> when the IP lease is up for renewal it will</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> normally be
>
> reassigned....</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 2. Most
> of the services you listed are against the AUP.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 3. The
> speeds you are looking for are currently part of the
> basic</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> residential
>
> service. Of course, you won't always realize those</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> speeds because of
>
> Internet congestion and slow routers on the</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Internet. If you
>
> don't believe me I could show you some &quot;BGP&quot;</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Internet routes
>
> that would make your head spin.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Horror
> stories? Do you have a few days? I could tell you
> some</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> stories. Yes we
>
> had many issues when we were partnered with the</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Excite@Home
>
> corporation. Of course we had some growing pains at
> the</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> beginning of this
>
> year as well. Try Planning, engineering, ordering</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> and taking
>
> delivery of enough equipment to run a complete ISP and
> a</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> complete
>
> nationwide backbone. All in the time span of 30
> days. And</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> then keep a large
>
> amount of customers up while converting them over</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> to the above
>
> network.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Except
> for individual issues I would hope that most customers
> would</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> tell you that
>
> their experience recently and currently is good. As</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> for the
>
> Internet... Take into consideration that between cable
> modem,</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> DSL, and ADSL
>
> providers. There are about a million customers added</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> each month in the
>
> US alone. Think about the fact that all of the</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers now have
>
> access to an always on connection.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Today
> most people would not think twice about starting multiple
> 10</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> meg
>
> downloads. Back when we were dialing into BBSs we would start
> a</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 1 or 2 meg
>
> download just before going to bed and pray that it
> would</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> &quot;finish&quot;
>
> by the time we woke up the next morning.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> As for
> the &quot;68.14.X.X&quot; IP blocks. If you obtain one from the
> DHCP</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> server it is a
>
> mistake. This block is reserved for our business</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers. And
>
> yes since they are part of the business block of</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> course they will
>
> allowed servers to pass traffic. If you are</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> &quot;borrowing&quot; one, down and dirty you are
> stealing.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Some
> people have been caught and quietly handled. Others have
> gotten</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> away with
>
> abuse. Let me just say that a large part of my teams</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> effort has been to
>
> provide a consistently reliable service for our</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers. I
>
> believe we've done a good job. All the while growing</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the network and
>
> adding reliability. That was then, during this first</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> year of a
>
> &quot;Self-Reliant&quot; Cox Network.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Well,
> this is now and I can say that the emphasis is
> growing. Abuse</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> and continued
>
> security issues are being pressed. The local team</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> along with a large
>
> well trained security team in corporate is in</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> place and working
>
> to limit, catch and if needed prosecute abusers.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Thanks
> for the opportunity to answer your questions and dump a
> little</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> bit. Of course if
>
> anyone has any questions I'm available to help.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> I'm trying to make
>
> the dinner meeting so I can meet more of you guys.</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
> Cheers,</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Charles
>
> Jouglard</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Senior System
>
> Engineer</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Regional Abuse
>
> Administrator</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Cox
>
> Louisiana</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> High Speed
>
> Internet Division</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 504-390-
>
> 4432</FONT></b></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
>
> </FONT></b><div>&nbsp;</div>
>
> > <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> </FONT></b><div><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at
> 03:35:46PM -0600, Robert Cochran wrote:</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> &gt;1) If they can
>
> catch you they're not doing a good job.</FONT></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> Trust me. it's easy. They may not
> be doing it now but they ought to</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> be and probably will
>
> at some point. Besides it's rude to steal an IP</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> in this
>
> manner. However, if you can get it DHCP-assigned then
> bob's</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> your Uncle. If you
>
> can find a 68.14.x.x address that you're</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> connected to, you can
>
> get your dhcp client to request this address</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> and possibly obtain
>
> it if it is indeed free. This will bug no one</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> and is perfectly
>
> legit.</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> once you get the
>
> lease, I can tell you firsthand that it is highly</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> unlikely to change
>
> presuming you're not one to power off your</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> firewall.</FONT></div>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> </FONT><div><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> &gt;2) Your IP address had to
> change (@home had a 24.0.0.0/8 and cox.net</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> &gt;owns 68.0.0.0 -
>
> 68.15.0.0)</FONT></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> You misunderstand my post. That
> is the last time my address changed.</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> How many months ago
>
> was that?</FONT></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> </FONT><div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> -----Original Message-----
> </FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> From: owner-
>
> nolug@joeykelly.net [<a href="mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]
> On">mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]On</a></FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Behalf Of Scott
>
> Harney Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:17 PM</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> To:
>
> nolug@joeykelly.net Subject: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">
>
> service...</FONT></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Not a good idea. 1) they could
> catch you. easily. actually I'm</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> surprised this works
>
> at all (hint: cable-source-verify though one</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> could use mark-only
>
> to catch violators) 2) how do you know your UBR</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> has IP address pools
>
> within 68.14.0.0/16?</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> You
>
> don't.</FONT></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> That said, I can say my IP has
> never changed since the @home-&gt;Cox</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> HSI
>
> transition.</FONT></div>
>
> > <div>&nbsp;</div>
> > <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at
> 03:01:12PM -0600, David wrote:</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> There is a way to get
>
> a &quot;good&quot;, i.e. ports 80, 25, etc., static IP</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> from </FONT><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> the </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"
> SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> residential cox service if you can mange to get
> an address on the</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> 68.14.*.*
>
> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> network. All you
> have to do is find an address thats not in use on</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the 68.14.*.* network
>
> and, borrow it. Even better, try your luck</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> at getting
>
> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> the </FONT><FONT
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> DHCP server into giving you one of
> those addresses and you'll be</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> better </FONT><FONT
>
> FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> off.</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> I hope I did'nt just
>
> shoot myself in the foot by telling everyone this.</FONT></div>
>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Oh</FONT></div>
> > <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> well.</FONT></div>
> > </body></html>
> >
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