Re: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet service...

Dave,
As I said "if" someone were to receive an IP in the 68.14.X.X block
from the dhcp server it would be a mistake. Of course, after I read
the post I started reviewing the logs to see how that block was
being offered.

As for hypotetically and for novelty, I too participate in these
thoughts and dialogue often. I'm not here to Police thoughts or
activities. I'm here to share and gain knowledge.

So otherwise is the service working well for you?

Cheers,
Charles
>
> From: "David" <davisparbuckle@cox.net>
> Date: 2002/12/11 Wed PM 11:23:19 EST
> To: <nolug@joeykelly.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet service...
>
> Charles, you are absolutely right. But how can it be abuse when
the DHCP server is "giving" you the business addresses you are
"suppossed" to pay for? Or would that be entrapment, just to scare
some LUG members who are speaking in theory. (I never said that
I "borrowed" addresses, I was speaking hypotetically for the
purpose of having a mailing list in the first place, dialogue. What I
said was for novelty purposes only. ;-) I don't advocate cracking or
stealing but when your own equipment is working against you, you
have no one to blame but yourself.
>
> Dave
> Just a regular guy,
> Who is very observant
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles
> To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:07 PM
> Subject: [Nolug] Need new internet service...
>
>
> Good evening everyone. You've got to love the threads that go
around
> when I'm trying to lurk and get some work done. I had to just
chime
> in on this issue. Let me say, I love the company I work for most
of
> the time. I don't always agree with the decisions that are made
> above me. However, they do direct deposit my pay so I have to
> enforce the rules the legal department puts forth.
>
> As for as the original questions: 1. No static IPs on the
residential
> service. Yes it is DHCP, and yes it should be dynamic but if a
> customer is securing his or her network with a firewall that is on
> all the time then when the IP lease is up for renewal it will
> normally be reassigned....
>
> 2. Most of the services you listed are against the AUP.
>
> 3. The speeds you are looking for are currently part of the basic
> residential service. Of course, you won't always realize those
> speeds because of Internet congestion and slow routers on the
> Internet. If you don't believe me I could show you some "BGP"
> Internet routes that would make your head spin.
>
> Horror stories? Do you have a few days? I could tell you some
> stories. Yes we had many issues when we were partnered with
the
> Excite@Home corporation. Of course we had some growing
pains at the
> beginning of this year as well. Try Planning, engineering,
ordering
> and taking delivery of enough equipment to run a complete ISP
and a
> complete nationwide backbone. All in the time span of 30 days.
And
> then keep a large amount of customers up while converting
them over
> to the above network.
>
> Except for individual issues I would hope that most customers
would
> tell you that their experience recently and currently is good. As
> for the Internet... Take into consideration that between cable
modem,
> DSL, and ADSL providers. There are about a million customers
added
> each month in the US alone. Think about the fact that all of the
> customers now have access to an always on connection.
>
> Today most people would not think twice about starting multiple
10
> meg downloads. Back when we were dialing into BBSs we
would start a
> 1 or 2 meg download just before going to bed and pray that it
would
> "finish" by the time we woke up the next morning.
>
> As for the "68.14.X.X" IP blocks. If you obtain one from the
DHCP
> server it is a mistake. This block is reserved for our business
> customers. And yes since they are part of the business block of
> course they will allowed servers to pass traffic. If you are
> "borrowing" one, down and dirty you are stealing.
>
> Some people have been caught and quietly handled. Others
have gotten
> away with abuse. Let me just say that a large part of my teams
> effort has been to provide a consistently reliable service for our
> customers. I believe we've done a good job. All the while
growing
> the network and adding reliability. That was then, during this
first
> year of a "Self-Reliant" Cox Network.
>
> Well, this is now and I can say that the emphasis is growing.
Abuse
> and continued security issues are being pressed. The local
team
> along with a large well trained security team in corporate is in
> place and working to limit, catch and if needed prosecute
abusers.
>
> Thanks for the opportunity to answer your questions and dump
a little
> bit. Of course if anyone has any questions I'm available to
help.
> I'm trying to make the dinner meeting so I can meet more of you
guys.
>
> Cheers,
> Charles Jouglard
> Senior System Engineer
> Regional Abuse Administrator
> Cox Louisiana
> High Speed Internet Division
> 504-390-4432
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:35:46PM -0600, Robert Cochran
wrote:
> >1) If they can catch you they're not doing a good job.
>
> Trust me. it's easy. They may not be doing it now but they ought
to
> be and probably will at some point. Besides it's rude to steal an
IP
> in this manner. However, if you can get it DHCP-assigned then
bob's
> your Uncle. If you can find a 68.14.x.x address that you're
> connected to, you can get your dhcp client to request this
address
> and possibly obtain it if it is indeed free. This will bug no one
> and is perfectly legit.
> once you get the lease, I can tell you firsthand that it is highly
> unlikely to change presuming you're not one to power off your
> firewall.
>
> >2) Your IP address had to change (@home had a 24.0.0.0/8
and cox.net
> >owns 68.0.0.0 - 68.15.0.0)
>
> You misunderstand my post. That is the last time my address
changed.
> How many months ago was that?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nolug@joeykelly.net [mailto:owner-
nolug@joeykelly.net]On
> Behalf Of Scott Harney Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002
3:17 PM
> To: nolug@joeykelly.net Subject: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet
> service...
>
>
> Not a good idea. 1) they could catch you. easily. actually I'm
> surprised this works at all (hint: cable-source-verify though one
> could use mark-only to catch violators) 2) how do you know
your UBR
> has IP address pools within 68.14.0.0/16?
> You don't.
>
> That said, I can say my IP has never changed since the
@home->Cox
> HSI transition.
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:01:12PM -0600, David wrote:
> There is a way to get a "good", i.e. ports 80, 25, etc., static IP
> from the residential cox service if you can mange to get an
address on the
> 68.14.*.* network. All you have to do is find an address thats
not in use on
> the 68.14.*.* network and, borrow it. Even better, try your luck
> at getting the DHCP server into giving you one of those
addresses and you'll be
> better off.
> I hope I did'nt just shoot myself in the foot by telling everyone
this.
> Oh
> well.
> ___________________ Nolug mailing list nolug@nolug.org
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Charles

To: nolug@joeykelly.net

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:07 PM

Subject: [Nolug] Need new internet service...

Good evening everyone.  You've got to love the threads that go around

when  I'm trying to lurk and get some work done.  I had to just chime

in on this issue.  Let me say, I love the company I work for most of

the time.  I don't always agree with the decisions that are made

above me.  However, they do direct deposit my pay so I have to

enforce the rules the legal department puts forth.

 

As for as the original questions: 1. No static IPs on the residential

service.  Yes it is DHCP, and yes it should be dynamic but if a

customer is securing his or her network with a firewall that is on

all the time then when the IP lease is up for renewal it will

normally be reassigned....

 

2. Most of the services you listed are against the AUP.

 

3. The speeds you are looking for are currently part of the basic

residential service.  Of course, you won't always realize those

speeds because of Internet congestion and slow routers on the

Internet.  If you don't believe me I could show you some "BGP"

Internet routes that would make your head spin.

 

Horror stories?  Do you have a few days?  I could tell you some

stories.  Yes we had many issues when we were partnered with the

Excite@Home corporation.  Of course we had some growing pains at the

beginning of this year as well.  Try Planning, engineering, ordering

and taking delivery of enough equipment to run a complete ISP and a

complete nationwide backbone.  All in the time span of 30 days.  And

then keep a large amount of customers up while converting them over

to the above network.

 

Except for individual issues I would hope that most customers would

tell you that their experience recently and currently is good.  As

for the Internet... Take into consideration that between cable modem,

DSL, and ADSL providers.  There are about a million customers added

each month in the US alone.  Think about the fact that all of the

customers now have access to an always on connection.

 

Today most people would not think twice about starting multiple 10

meg downloads.  Back when we were dialing into BBSs we would start a

1 or 2 meg download just before going to bed and pray that it would

"finish" by the time we woke up the next morning.

 

As for the "68.14.X.X" IP blocks.  If you obtain one from the DHCP

server it is a mistake.  This block is reserved for our business

customers.  And yes since they are part of the business block of

course they will allowed servers to pass traffic.  If you are

"borrowing" one, down and dirty you are stealing.

 

Some people have been caught and quietly handled.  Others have gotten

away with abuse.  Let me just say that a large part of my teams

effort has been to provide a consistently reliable service for our

customers.  I believe we've done a good job.  All the while growing

the network and adding reliability.  That was then, during this first

year of a "Self-Reliant" Cox Network.

 

Well, this is now and I can say that the emphasis is growing.  Abuse

and continued security issues are being pressed.  The local team

along with a large well trained security team in corporate is in

place and working to limit, catch and if needed prosecute abusers.

 

Thanks for the opportunity to answer your questions and dump a little

bit.  Of course if anyone has any  questions I'm available to help.

I'm trying to make the dinner meeting so I can meet more of you guys.

 

Cheers,

Charles Jouglard

Senior System Engineer

Regional Abuse Administrator

Cox Louisiana

High Speed Internet Division

504-390-4432

 

 

On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:35:46PM -0600, Robert Cochran wrote:

>1) If they can catch you they're not doing a good job.

 

Trust me. it's easy.  They may not be doing it now but they ought to

be and probably will at some point.  Besides it's rude to steal an IP

in this manner.  However, if you can get it DHCP-assigned then bob's

your Uncle.  If you can find a 68.14.x.x address  that you're

connected to, you can get your dhcp client to request this address

and possibly obtain it if it is indeed free.  This will bug no one

and is perfectly legit.

once you get the lease, I can tell you firsthand that it is highly

unlikely to change presuming you're not one to power off your

firewall.

 

>2) Your IP address had to change (@home had a 24.0.0.0/8 and cox.net

>owns 68.0.0.0 - 68.15.0.0)

 

You misunderstand my post.  That is the last time my address changed.

How many months ago was that?

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-nolug@joeykelly.net [mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]On

Behalf Of Scott Harney Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:17 PM

To: nolug@joeykelly.net Subject: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet

service...

 

 

Not a good idea.  1) they could catch you.  easily. actually I'm

surprised this works at all (hint: cable-source-verify  though one

could use mark-only to catch violators) 2) how do you know your UBR

has IP address pools within 68.14.0.0/16?

You don't.

 

That said, I can say my IP has never changed since the @home->Cox

HSI transition.

 

On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:01:12PM -0600, David wrote:

There is a way to get a "good", i.e. ports 80, 25, etc., static IP

from the residential cox service if you can mange to get an address on the

68.14.*.* network.  All you have to do is find an address thats not in use on

the 68.14.*.* network and, borrow it.  Even better, try your luck

at getting the DHCP server into giving you one of those addresses and you'll be

better off.

I hope I did'nt just shoot myself in the foot by telling everyone this.

Oh

well.

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