Re: [Nolug] Need new internet service...

Charles, you are absolutely right. But how can it be abuse when the DHCP server is "giving" you the business addresses you are "suppossed" to pay for? Or would that be entrapment, just to scare some LUG members who are speaking in theory. (I never said that I "borrowed" addresses, I was speaking hypotetically for the purpose of having a mailing list in the first place, dialogue. What I said was for novelty purposes only. ;-) I don't advocate cracking or stealing but when your own equipment is working against you, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Dave
Just a regular guy,
Who is very observant
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles
  To: nolug@joeykelly.net
  Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:07 PM
  Subject: [Nolug] Need new internet service...

  Good evening everyone. You've got to love the threads that go around
  when I'm trying to lurk and get some work done. I had to just chime
  in on this issue. Let me say, I love the company I work for most of
  the time. I don't always agree with the decisions that are made
  above me. However, they do direct deposit my pay so I have to
  enforce the rules the legal department puts forth.

  As for as the original questions: 1. No static IPs on the residential
  service. Yes it is DHCP, and yes it should be dynamic but if a
  customer is securing his or her network with a firewall that is on
  all the time then when the IP lease is up for renewal it will
  normally be reassigned....

  2. Most of the services you listed are against the AUP.

  3. The speeds you are looking for are currently part of the basic
  residential service. Of course, you won't always realize those
  speeds because of Internet congestion and slow routers on the
  Internet. If you don't believe me I could show you some "BGP"
  Internet routes that would make your head spin.

  Horror stories? Do you have a few days? I could tell you some
  stories. Yes we had many issues when we were partnered with the
  Excite@Home corporation. Of course we had some growing pains at the
  beginning of this year as well. Try Planning, engineering, ordering
  and taking delivery of enough equipment to run a complete ISP and a
  complete nationwide backbone. All in the time span of 30 days. And
  then keep a large amount of customers up while converting them over
  to the above network.

  Except for individual issues I would hope that most customers would
  tell you that their experience recently and currently is good. As
  for the Internet... Take into consideration that between cable modem,
  DSL, and ADSL providers. There are about a million customers added
  each month in the US alone. Think about the fact that all of the
  customers now have access to an always on connection.

  Today most people would not think twice about starting multiple 10
  meg downloads. Back when we were dialing into BBSs we would start a
  1 or 2 meg download just before going to bed and pray that it would
  "finish" by the time we woke up the next morning.

  As for the "68.14.X.X" IP blocks. If you obtain one from the DHCP
  server it is a mistake. This block is reserved for our business
  customers. And yes since they are part of the business block of
  course they will allowed servers to pass traffic. If you are
  "borrowing" one, down and dirty you are stealing.

  Some people have been caught and quietly handled. Others have gotten
  away with abuse. Let me just say that a large part of my teams
  effort has been to provide a consistently reliable service for our
  customers. I believe we've done a good job. All the while growing
  the network and adding reliability. That was then, during this first
  year of a "Self-Reliant" Cox Network.

  Well, this is now and I can say that the emphasis is growing. Abuse
  and continued security issues are being pressed. The local team
  along with a large well trained security team in corporate is in
  place and working to limit, catch and if needed prosecute abusers.

  Thanks for the opportunity to answer your questions and dump a little
  bit. Of course if anyone has any questions I'm available to help.
  I'm trying to make the dinner meeting so I can meet more of you guys.

  Cheers,
  Charles Jouglard
  Senior System Engineer
  Regional Abuse Administrator
  Cox Louisiana
  High Speed Internet Division
  504-390-4432

  On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:35:46PM -0600, Robert Cochran wrote:
>1) If they can catch you they're not doing a good job.

  Trust me. it's easy. They may not be doing it now but they ought to
  be and probably will at some point. Besides it's rude to steal an IP
  in this manner. However, if you can get it DHCP-assigned then bob's
  your Uncle. If you can find a 68.14.x.x address that you're
  connected to, you can get your dhcp client to request this address
  and possibly obtain it if it is indeed free. This will bug no one
  and is perfectly legit.
  once you get the lease, I can tell you firsthand that it is highly
  unlikely to change presuming you're not one to power off your
  firewall.

>2) Your IP address had to change (@home had a 24.0.0.0/8 and cox.net
>owns 68.0.0.0 - 68.15.0.0)

  You misunderstand my post. That is the last time my address changed.
  How many months ago was that?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-nolug@joeykelly.net [mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]On
  Behalf Of Scott Harney Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:17 PM
  To: nolug@joeykelly.net Subject: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet
  service...

  Not a good idea. 1) they could catch you. easily. actually I'm
  surprised this works at all (hint: cable-source-verify though one
  could use mark-only to catch violators) 2) how do you know your UBR
  has IP address pools within 68.14.0.0/16?
  You don't.

  That said, I can say my IP has never changed since the @home->Cox
  HSI transition.

  On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:01:12PM -0600, David wrote:
  There is a way to get a "good", i.e. ports 80, 25, etc., static IP
  from the residential cox service if you can mange to get an address on the
  68.14.*.* network. All you have to do is find an address thats not in use on
  the 68.14.*.* network and, borrow it. Even better, try your luck
  at getting the DHCP server into giving you one of those addresses and you'll be
  better off.
  I hope I did'nt just shoot myself in the foot by telling everyone this.
  Oh
  well.
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