eww..that's fugley.....
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> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Good evening
everyone. You've got to love the threads that go
around</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> when I'm trying
to lurk and get some work done. I had to just chime</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> in on this
issue. Let me say, I love the company I work for most
of</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the time. I don't
always agree with the decisions that are made</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> above
me. However, they do direct deposit my pay so I have
to</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> enforce the rules
the legal department puts forth.</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> As for as
the original questions: 1. No static IPs on the
residential</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> service. Yes it
is DHCP, and yes it should be dynamic but if a</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customer is
securing his or her network with a firewall that is on</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> all the time then
when the IP lease is up for renewal it will</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> normally be
reassigned....</FONT></b></div>
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> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 2. Most
of the services you listed are against the AUP.</FONT></b></div>
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> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 3. The
speeds you are looking for are currently part of the
basic</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> residential
service. Of course, you won't always realize those</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> speeds because of
Internet congestion and slow routers on the</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Internet. If you
don't believe me I could show you some "BGP"</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Internet routes
that would make your head spin.</FONT></b></div>
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> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Horror
stories? Do you have a few days? I could tell you
some</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> stories. Yes we
had many issues when we were partnered with the</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Excite@Home
corporation. Of course we had some growing pains at
the</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> beginning of this
year as well. Try Planning, engineering, ordering</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> and taking
delivery of enough equipment to run a complete ISP and
a</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> complete
nationwide backbone. All in the time span of 30
days. And</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> then keep a large
amount of customers up while converting them over</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> to the above
network.</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Except
for individual issues I would hope that most customers
would</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> tell you that
their experience recently and currently is good. As</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> for the
Internet... Take into consideration that between cable
modem,</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> DSL, and ADSL
providers. There are about a million customers added</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> each month in the
US alone. Think about the fact that all of the</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers now have
access to an always on connection.</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Today
most people would not think twice about starting multiple
10</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> meg
downloads. Back when we were dialing into BBSs we would start
a</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 1 or 2 meg
download just before going to bed and pray that it
would</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> "finish"
by the time we woke up the next morning.</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> As for
the "68.14.X.X" IP blocks. If you obtain one from the
DHCP</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> server it is a
mistake. This block is reserved for our business</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers. And
yes since they are part of the business block of</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> course they will
allowed servers to pass traffic. If you are</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
"borrowing" one, down and dirty you are
stealing.</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Some
people have been caught and quietly handled. Others have
gotten</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> away with
abuse. Let me just say that a large part of my teams</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> effort has been to
provide a consistently reliable service for our</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> customers. I
believe we've done a good job. All the while growing</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the network and
adding reliability. That was then, during this first</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> year of a
"Self-Reliant" Cox Network.</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Well,
this is now and I can say that the emphasis is
growing. Abuse</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> and continued
security issues are being pressed. The local team</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> along with a large
well trained security team in corporate is in</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> place and working
to limit, catch and if needed prosecute abusers.</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Thanks
for the opportunity to answer your questions and dump a
little</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> bit. Of course if
anyone has any questions I'm available to help.</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> I'm trying to make
the dinner meeting so I can meet more of you guys.</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
Cheers,</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Charles
Jouglard</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Senior System
Engineer</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Regional Abuse
Administrator</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> Cox
Louisiana</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> High Speed
Internet Division</FONT></b></div>
> <div><b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> 504-390-
4432</FONT></b></div>
> <div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000">
</FONT></b><div> </div>
> <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> </FONT></b><div><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at
03:35:46PM -0600, Robert Cochran wrote:</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> >1) If they can
catch you they're not doing a good job.</FONT></div>
> <div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> Trust me. it's easy. They may not
be doing it now but they ought to</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> be and probably will
at some point. Besides it's rude to steal an IP</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> in this
manner. However, if you can get it DHCP-assigned then
bob's</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> your Uncle. If you
can find a 68.14.x.x address that you're</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> connected to, you can
get your dhcp client to request this address</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> and possibly obtain
it if it is indeed free. This will bug no one</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> and is perfectly
legit.</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> once you get the
lease, I can tell you firsthand that it is highly</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> unlikely to change
presuming you're not one to power off your</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> firewall.</FONT></div>
> <div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> </FONT><div><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> >2) Your IP address had to
change (@home had a 24.0.0.0/8 and cox.net</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> >owns 68.0.0.0 -
68.15.0.0)</FONT></div>
> <div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> You misunderstand my post. That
is the last time my address changed.</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> How many months ago
was that?</FONT></div>
> <div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800040"> </FONT><div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> -----Original Message-----
</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> From: owner-
nolug@joeykelly.net [<a href="mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]
On">mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]On</a></FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Behalf Of Scott
Harney Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:17 PM</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> To:
nolug@joeykelly.net Subject: Re: [Nolug] Need new internet</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080">
service...</FONT></div>
> <div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Not a good idea. 1) they could
catch you. easily. actually I'm</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> surprised this works
at all (hint: cable-source-verify though one</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> could use mark-only
to catch violators) 2) how do you know your UBR</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> has IP address pools
within 68.14.0.0/16?</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> You
don't.</FONT></div>
> <div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> That said, I can say my IP has
never changed since the @home->Cox</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> HSI
transition.</FONT></div>
> <div> </div>
> <FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> </FONT><div><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at
03:01:12PM -0600, David wrote:</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> There is a way to get
a "good", i.e. ports 80, 25, etc., static IP</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> from </FONT><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> the </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"
SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> residential cox service if you can mange to get
an address on the</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> 68.14.*.*
</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> network. All you
have to do is find an address thats not in use on</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> the 68.14.*.* network
and, borrow it. Even better, try your luck</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> at getting
</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> the </FONT><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> DHCP server into giving you one of
those addresses and you'll be</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> better </FONT><FONT
FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> off.</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> I hope I did'nt just
shoot myself in the foot by telling everyone this.</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#000080"> Oh</FONT></div>
> <div><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=4 COLOR="#800000"> well.</FONT></div>
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