RE: [Nolug] E-T sending messages

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 11:18, Carlos wrote:
> Do you think aliens would like to mess with our troublesome species,
> after all they are far more advanced and know better. Primitive,
> backwards species should be left to their own luck.

Well, The White Man goes to remote, underdeveloped to spread the Gospel
of Christ. Maybe ET evangelists would come here to spread *their*
religion to "the savages on Sol 3".

But then again, inter-stellar travel would consume *so much* energy,
why do it? The energy could be spent in the Home System in much more
productive ways: eliminating the use of fossile fuels, mining the moons,
Mars, asteroids, etc...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nolug@joeykelly.net [mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net] On
> Behalf Of Pietu
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:31 PM
> To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> Subject: RE: [Nolug] E-T sending messages
>
> Heh...
>
> Here's your proof.
>
> I admit, I am an Alien.
>
> At least that is what INS claims about me.
> I even have a valid Alien Registration card as a proof.
>
> P
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-nolug@joeykelly.net [mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]On
> > Behalf Of Brett D. Estrade
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:09 PM
> > To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> > Subject: Re: [Nolug] E-T sending messages
> >
> >
> > They're already here ;)
> >
> > In all seriousness, I though RF signial propagated out
> > spherically from a central point, if so
> > wouldn't we actually be recieving a little bit of all the signals
> > send from the hemisphere of the
> > source planet that was facing us? I could be wrong.. I hated
> > that part of physics in school.
> >
> > Brett
> >
> >
> > --- Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
> > > You are absolutely right. I was intellectually lazy, since there
> are
> > > so many billions and billions of stars, and thus the likelyhood of
> life
> > > being out there is a virtual certainty.
> > >
> > > However, the distances are so great, and RF still only travels at a
> > > fixed speed, and, compared to the vastness of space, there aren't
> that
> > > many stars. Thus, any message round trip (send, interpret, decide
> > > response, respond) would take many, many decades. Also, how do the
> > > aliens decide which direction(s) around the sphere to send the
> codes?
> > > Also again, even if you send RF messages to each 1/100th of second
> of
> > > degree, after a few hundred billion miles, there will be large gaps
> > > between each RF beam. ((This is presuming that the codes are sent
> > > out in beams instead of broadcast, to ensure energy concentration.)
> > > Then, since a light-year is 5.87 bn miles, and that beam may have to
> > > go 10 or 20 (or much more!) light-years before reaching Sol's
> neighbor-
> > > hood, the gaps between each (now *extremely* faint) beam are
> enormous.
> > >
> > > Thus, IMHO, I don't think that even the wealthiest worlds would do
> such
> > > a thing.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 17:53, bad-magic-number wrote:
> > > > On the date of 12/18/2002 12:08:25 PM , Ron Johnson
> > <ron.l.johnson@cox.
> > > > net> spoke:
> > > > >Instead of searching cosmic static for non-existant aliens,
> > the rc5-72
> > > > >project from http://www.distributed.net uses the same concept
> (hence
> > > > >the name) to use brute force to do mathematical-type things.
> > > >
> > > > That's a bit presumptuous... Live undeniably exists outside
> > our Solar
> > > > System based on mathematical probability... To say something only
> > > > happened in one place in a universe this size would be pure folly.
> > > >
> > > > And it may very well be intelligent, but:
> > > >
> > > > 1. We might not find it since we can only see a sliver of the sky
> at
> > > > Arecibo... 2. We may not know what to look for since the maybe
> very
> > > > well be more advanced than us. We are cosmic infants as Homo
> Sapiens
> > > > are a young species.
> > > >
> > > > And of course life outside our Solar System might very well not be
> as
> > > > intelligent as us...
> > > >
> > > > Its a big universe and ludicrous to think we are singular and
> > "special"
> > > > in a cosmic sense.....

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