Re: [Nolug] Distro suggestions

Looks like I will be testing out Debian soon... Now I just need a harddrive
to put it on. Damn Dell laptops need an adapter to go from regular 2.5"
drives to Dell compatable. Wonder how much trouble I will have to go through
to get that out of Dell... and at a cheap rate.

>From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
>Reply-To: nolug@joeykelly.net
>To: NOLUG ML <nolug@joeykelly.net>
>Subject: Re: [Nolug] Distro suggestions
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:34:55 -0600
>
>On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 22:57, Jeff Lee wrote:
> > My main concern is keeping my server operational and secure. I am not
>the
> > smartest linux user in the bunch and it takes me longer to do things
>than
> > most.. I just want an OS that I can configure to do things
>"automagicaly" I
> > have many scripts that I wrote for redhat to update my software and
>backup
> > users files and I would like an alternative that would work with these
>with
> > little or no editing. I use CommuniGate Pro for mail and Apache for WWW,
>I
> > like these and want to keep them when I switch. RPM has been broken for
>me
> > since the second day I had the server running and I cant fix it. I like
>that
> > debian has its own install package. I have been told that Debian has a
>bad
> > installer... I want to beable to pick a package and have the OS solve
> > dependencies... like redcarpet does. A gui is not required because
>99.99999%
> > of any work I would do is with ssh. Any suggestions on something that
>would
> > work for me? I dont want an OS that has broken packages or out-dated
>ones
> > either (Debian?) I want to use a "stable" release or if not a release
>that
> > wont bring downtime.
>
>You might want to take a look at Debian. It's current official
>release (v3.0, Woody) is kinda old (glibc 2.2.5, for example),
>but Sarge (the testing version, which, one magical day, will
>become "stable" at the flick of a few symlinks) is very stable,
>since all packages have to go through the "experimental", then
>"unstable" phase, and must be clean enough to compile on the
>12+ platforms that Debian supports.
>
>If your server is headless (or, at least, X-less), then Debian
>is right up your alley. Extremely powerful command-line tools,
>and the GUI tools are copies of the full-screen text tools.
>
>"Systems" in Debian are broken down into many packages. For
>example, when I ran Mandrake, I had to install X just to be able
>to install Python, because the One Big Python RPM had the Gtk
>bindings in it. Not Debian. You pick and choose how much you
>want, and that's all you'll get.
>
>Red Carpet got it's ideas about resolving package dependencies
>from Debian's apt toolset.
>
>For example, from a minimal system running 2.4.18 and glibc
>2.2.5 (no X installed, I can upgrade to the latest versions of
>Evolution and Mozilla by typing:
>
># apt-get -u -t testing install mozilla evolution
>
>That command will list all of the (probably hundreds of) packages
>to be installed, plus "recommended" and "suggested" packages, then
>ask you if you want to continue.
>
>I usually say N, then retry, after adding all of the "recommended"
>and "suggested" packages. Of course, those will have their depen-
>dencies and "recommended" and "suggested" packages.
>
>When I'm satisfied that I'm grabbing everything I want, I say Y,
>and go read a book. After the downloads, the configuration step
>begins, where each package that needs user response gets it from
>you, and then proceeds.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > >From: Alex McKenzie <alex@boxchain.com>
> > >Reply-To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> > >To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> > >Subject: Re: [Nolug] Distro suggestions
> > >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:43:07 -0600
> > >
> > >jdtiede@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > >
> > > >if it's free and works the same, who cares?
> > >
> > >That's exactly the concern...will it work the same? Or, even better,
>work
> > >well. This is not to say they haven't been a benefit to the Linux
> > >community, but I lost interest in them after their gcc-2.96 debacle,
>which
> > >all of it's sibling (spawn?) distros (Mandrake, etc.) had to suffer
>from.
> > >But I still kick myself for not investing.
> > >
> > >And I'm sure that Fedora will not have the base that RHAT had, they
>caused
> > >a lot of egress of their flock with their last maneuver.
> > >
> > >And with so many other well established distros out there to chose
>from, a
> > >lot of people are thinking that now is a good time to make a switch,
> > >especially if they've been curious to, or frustrated with RHAT.
>
>--
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Ron Johnson, Jr. ron.l.johnson@cox.net
>Jefferson, LA USA
>
>Some former UNSCOM officials are alarmed, however. Terry Taylor,
>a British senior UNSCOM inspector from 1993 to 1997, says the
>figure of 95 percent disarmament is "complete nonsense because
>inspectors never learned what 100 percent was. UNSCOM found a
>great deal and destroyed a great deal, but we knew [Iraq's] work
>was continuing while we were there, and I'm sure it continues,"
>says Mr. Taylor, now head of the Washington
>http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0829/p01s03-wosc.html
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