archives: relieving frustration from Joey Kelly on 2001-12-18 (nolugarchives)

From: Joey Kelly <looseduk_at_ductape.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:15:29 +0000
Message-Id: <01121812152967.01203@rahab>

-- 
Joey Kelly
< Minister of the Gospel | Computer Networking Consultant >
http://joeykelly.dhs.org
"When Government fears the people, it's liberty.
When people fear the Government, it's tyranny."
-- Benjamin Franklin

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I know this is dumb, but it gave me a couple of laughs:

www.fieler.com/terror

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Michael Flora wrote:
> I know this is dumb, but it gave me a couple of laughs:
>
> www.fieler.com/terror

No response from the site... Let me know if you can still get to it.
Jeremy
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Last time I checked (which was last night) the "terror" website was up and
working...

I'm sorry that this post is totally off-topic, but I think it is highly
relevant to the future of our civilization. I am a member of a general
physics discussion list on which a debate about religion, science,
economics, and oil depletion has been raging since Sept. 11th. The
following message and attached .jpg was posted yesterday.

M.R.F.

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Lawrence Crowell wrote:

At 11:59 AM 10/6/01 -0700, Peter Mutnick wrote:
>
>
>[Peter]
>Paradoxically, there is probably some truth to this. When an acute evil
>manifests itself it is often a reaction to an habitual lower lying evil
that
>can no longer be tolerated. Capitalism is such an evil and a burden on the
>Earth and on Humanity.
>

Before I say anything else I want to say this: Peter, if I have to read
another polemic on the evils of capitalism I think I will vomit!
Capitalism is just an idea that is practiced in various ways, and it has
its good and bad points. The alternatives to capitalism are no bed of
roses, try Stalinist Soviet Union. Capitalism is just an economic idea,
and like all economic ideas are a sort of secular religion. And just like
all religions there are good and bad points to them all.

I mentioned earlier one aspect of the friction between the western world
and the Islamic world as a conflict between intellectual and political
liberalism and religious orthodoxy. Now I will get the the other problem:
OIL!!! As the jpeg file indicates the Islamic nations of Saudi Arabia and
other gulf states are the oil bread basket of the world. If the Islamic
world did not have this oil reserve under their ground they would have all
the geopolitical importance of Mongolia. By 2005 Islamic oil production
will exceed the rest of the world combined. This will inevitably result is
a power shift in the world. There is essentially no escaping this prospect.

The problem is that Osama bin Ladin knows this, as doubtless do many other
people in the Arabic world. Osama bin Ladin is probably of the mind that
even if he dies, or that his Al Quida network is destroyed that he has
still started something that the United States nor the rest of the world
can really stop. I read after the World Trade Center bombing an editorial
on bin Ladin that presented some of his writings and ideas. Essentially it
comes down to "Islam Uber Alles." In fact Osama bin Ladin's writings have
a certain "Mein Kampf" quality to them. He wants to reassert the Abbassid
Caliphate, and to have that as the geopolitical center of the entire world.
Ultimately, the power and leverage that the Islamic world would have to
attempt this change in global power structure would be their oil reserves.
Bin Ladin's terrorist tactics are really just a way to mobilize the
"slumbering masses" of Muslims, and to ultimately bring the Islamic world
in a position to exert this leverage against the western world.

Will this happen in the future? That I nor anyone else can determine.
However, the Islamic world will in the next 1-2 decades be in a position to
do this. If they do this, can they succeed? Again that is impossible to
determine, but if there is this attempt to change the global balance of
power it will doubtless make life in the 2010-2020 time frame frought with
difficulties.

There are a couple of arguments that I can think of that make such an
Islamic world coup de tete possible. The first is that if they are in this
position of petro-supremacy where they have the western world "by the
balls," the temptation to exercise that power is overwhelming. Secondly,
they must have an awareness that their own oil resources are themselves
going to peak out and decline due to depletion in the forthcoming decades.
This will put the Islamic world of the mideast in a difficult position.
The populations of the Islamic world has quadrupled since 1950. Nations
such as Saudi Arabia have utterly nothing outside of oil, and they have no
capacity to feed their populations. As such in the future where their oil
resources are declining they would be best off if they are in a position to
use their remaining oil to completely control the world financial
structure. As such they can persist at least some time into the future and
keep the agricultural nations such as the United States importing grain to
them. Ironically this could end up again reversing the political balance
of power.

The catch though is that bin Ladin and other Islamic fundamentalists have
been torching the fires of the Islamic world. The sense that the Islamic
civilization is in a position to assert itself over the world has been
growing and probably will continue to do so. As this continues their eyes
will increasingly look at the world's oil spigot, and it may just be a
matter of time before they take a firm grasp of it.

Lawrence B. Crowell

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To: <nolug@nolug.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Nolug] relieving frustration

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> Michael Flora wrote:
> > I know this is dumb, but it gave me a couple of laughs:
> >
> > www.fieler.com/terror
>
> No response from the site... Let me know if you can still get to it.
> Jeremy
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Michael Flora wrote:
> Last time I checked (which was last night) the "terror" website was up and
> working...
>
> I'm sorry that this post is totally off-topic, but I think it is highly
> relevant to the future of our civilization. I am a member of a general
> physics discussion list on which a debate about religion, science,
> economics, and oil depletion has been raging since Sept. 11th. The
> following message and attached .jpg was posted yesterday.
>
> M.R.F.

Thanks for checking, I'll try again... Anyway, good point. I tried explaining
that to my mother that the whole root of the problem is that all of America is
dependent upon oil and oil production. Oil production declines and the price of
everything goes up. We are the complete mercy of the Middle East and we refuse
to acknowledge that. Good motivation now to investigate Solar energy. All I
know is that when I build my house it will have a roof made entirely of Solar
panels and will have a natural gas generator so I'm not dependent on the
electric companies and the artificially created energy crisis of the West.

Good post. And I must meet this dude who doesn't like capitalism...
Jeremy
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hell, we should be using alcohol anyway...pollutes less, and costs less...

__
Eddie Benson
ebenson@ebo.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nolug-admin@nolug.org [mailto:nolug-admin@nolug.org]On Behalf Of
> Michael Flora
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:18 AM
> To: nolug@nolug.org
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] relieving frustration
>
>
> Last time I checked (which was last night) the "terror" website was up and
> working...
>
> I'm sorry that this post is totally off-topic, but I think it is highly
> relevant to the future of our civilization. I am a member of a general
> physics discussion list on which a debate about religion, science,
> economics, and oil depletion has been raging since Sept. 11th. The
> following message and attached .jpg was posted yesterday.
>
> M.R.F.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> ---------------
>
> Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
> At 11:59 AM 10/6/01 -0700, Peter Mutnick wrote:
> >
> >
> >[Peter]
> >Paradoxically, there is probably some truth to this. When an acute evil
> >manifests itself it is often a reaction to an habitual lower lying evil
> that
> >can no longer be tolerated. Capitalism is such an evil and a
> burden on the
> >Earth and on Humanity.
> >
>
> Before I say anything else I want to say this: Peter, if I have to read
> another polemic on the evils of capitalism I think I will vomit!
> Capitalism is just an idea that is practiced in various ways, and it has
> its good and bad points. The alternatives to capitalism are no bed of
> roses, try Stalinist Soviet Union. Capitalism is just an economic idea,
> and like all economic ideas are a sort of secular religion. And just like
> all religions there are good and bad points to them all.
>
> I mentioned earlier one aspect of the friction between the western world
> and the Islamic world as a conflict between intellectual and political
> liberalism and religious orthodoxy. Now I will get the the other problem:
> OIL!!! As the jpeg file indicates the Islamic nations of Saudi Arabia and
> other gulf states are the oil bread basket of the world. If the Islamic
> world did not have this oil reserve under their ground they would have all
> the geopolitical importance of Mongolia. By 2005 Islamic oil production
> will exceed the rest of the world combined. This will inevitably
> result is
> a power shift in the world. There is essentially no escaping
> this prospect.
>
> The problem is that Osama bin Ladin knows this, as doubtless do many other
> people in the Arabic world. Osama bin Ladin is probably of the mind that
> even if he dies, or that his Al Quida network is destroyed that he has
> still started something that the United States nor the rest of the world
> can really stop. I read after the World Trade Center bombing an editorial
> on bin Ladin that presented some of his writings and ideas.
> Essentially it
> comes down to "Islam Uber Alles." In fact Osama bin Ladin's writings have
> a certain "Mein Kampf" quality to them. He wants to reassert the Abbassid
> Caliphate, and to have that as the geopolitical center of the
> entire world.
> Ultimately, the power and leverage that the Islamic world would have to
> attempt this change in global power structure would be their oil reserves.
> Bin Ladin's terrorist tactics are really just a way to mobilize the
> "slumbering masses" of Muslims, and to ultimately bring the Islamic world
> in a position to exert this leverage against the western world.
>
> Will this happen in the future? That I nor anyone else can determine.
> However, the Islamic world will in the next 1-2 decades be in a
> position to
> do this. If they do this, can they succeed? Again that is impossible to
> determine, but if there is this attempt to change the global balance of
> power it will doubtless make life in the 2010-2020 time frame frought with
> difficulties.
>
> There are a couple of arguments that I can think of that make such an
> Islamic world coup de tete possible. The first is that if they
> are in this
> position of petro-supremacy where they have the western world "by the
> balls," the temptation to exercise that power is overwhelming. Secondly,
> they must have an awareness that their own oil resources are themselves
> going to peak out and decline due to depletion in the forthcoming decades.
> This will put the Islamic world of the mideast in a difficult position.
> The populations of the Islamic world has quadrupled since 1950. Nations
> such as Saudi Arabia have utterly nothing outside of oil, and they have no
> capacity to feed their populations. As such in the future where their oil
> resources are declining they would be best off if they are in a
> position to
> use their remaining oil to completely control the world financial
> structure. As such they can persist at least some time into the
> future and
> keep the agricultural nations such as the United States importing grain to
> them. Ironically this could end up again reversing the political balance
> of power.
>
> The catch though is that bin Ladin and other Islamic fundamentalists have
> been torching the fires of the Islamic world. The sense that the Islamic
> civilization is in a position to assert itself over the world has been
> growing and probably will continue to do so. As this continues their eyes
> will increasingly look at the world's oil spigot, and it may just be a
> matter of time before they take a firm grasp of it.
>
> Lawrence B. Crowell
>
> >
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bad-magic-number <bad-magic-number@eternity-technologies.net>
> To: <nolug@nolug.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 12:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] relieving frustration
>
>
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> > Michael Flora wrote:
> > > I know this is dumb, but it gave me a couple of laughs:
> > >
> > > www.fieler.com/terror
> >
> > No response from the site... Let me know if you can still get to it.
> > Jeremy
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> > e2fsck 1.15, 18-Jul-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
> > Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
> > e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc2
> >
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> > "Feed a programmer... Buy software..." -- ME vs. the Warez "doodz"
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Eddie Benson wrote:
> hell, we should be using alcohol anyway...pollutes less, and costs less...
>

Good luck getting that in production. There are too many people who are more
worried about their pocket books than the future (look at George W. and his
environmental policy). And secondly, there's no market for it in America
because too many people love their gas guzzling SUVs.
Jeremy
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Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc2

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isn't it nice to have the right to own the gas gussling SUV. Rather than
have the self righteous tell us we cant. Seem we have clearly demonstrated
the difference between us and afganistan.

matt

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Eddie Benson wrote:
> hell, we should be using alcohol anyway...pollutes less, and costs
less...
>

Good luck getting that in production. There are too many people who are
more
worried about their pocket books than the future (look at George W. and his
environmental policy). And secondly, there's no market for it in America
because too many people love their gas guzzling SUVs.
Jeremy
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e2fsck 1.15, 18-Jul-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc2

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matthew wrote:
> isn't it nice to have the right to own the gas gussling SUV. Rather than
> have the self righteous tell us we cant. Seem we have clearly demonstrated
> the difference between us and afganistan.
>
> matt
>

There is a big difference between the two though and they aren't the same due to
the vast differences in culture. But I agree, people should be able to choose,
but something needs to be done to educate America about the wastefulness of
those MASSIVE tanks of vehicles. And even if its not for the future, then for
the safety of those who AREN'T in tanks...

Jeremy
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Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc2

"United we stand... United we FALL..." -- doubt of solidarity

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Then be safe buy your own tank. Not going to start another flame war. I
want just want to talk to you in ten years and see where you stand then.

Matt

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matthew wrote:
> isn't it nice to have the right to own the gas gussling SUV. Rather
than
> have the self righteous tell us we cant. Seem we have clearly
demonstrated
> the difference between us and afganistan.
>
> matt
>

There is a big difference between the two though and they aren't the same
due to
the vast differences in culture. But I agree, people should be able to
choose,
but something needs to be done to educate America about the wastefulness of
those MASSIVE tanks of vehicles. And even if its not for the future, then
for
the safety of those who AREN'T in tanks...

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matthew wrote:
> Then be safe buy your own tank. Not going to start another flame war. I
> want just want to talk to you in ten years and see where you stand then.
>
> Matt

I'll probably be an even bigger member of the "leftist conspiracy"*... It's
inevitable as I fall deeper into academia according to the sociology professor.

* - some televangelist used that term... *cough* Pat *cough*
Jeremy
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On Monday 08 October 2001 07:50 PM, bad-magic-number wrote:
> matthew wrote:
> > Then be safe buy your own tank. Not going to start another flame
> > war. I want just want to talk to you in ten years and see where
> > you stand then.
> >
> > Matt
>
> I'll probably be an even bigger member of the "leftist
> conspiracy"*... It's inevitable as I fall deeper into academia
> according to the sociology professor.
>
> * - some televangelist used that term... *cough* Pat *cough*
> Jeremy

Now, what did your sociology professor say?

I doubt the <snicker> "conspiracy" part, but if you could create
a "socialism" detector, mount it on a satelite and aim it at the
country, I *guarantee* that Universities (except small state ones
like Nicholls and McNeese State) and liberal arts colleges would
show up like million-candle beacons...

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> Now, what did your sociology professor say?

He stated that as a person becomes more educated, the more to the left he leans
because he learns to think in different ways and believes that the world can be
improved through progress. By left, I mean more liberal, which means more open
to change. It does of course also conincide with the other, meaning of liberal,
more open to things in general. That explanation is to eliminate any confusion
with the "liberal" term used in a derogatory manner by bigots like Pat Robertson.

> I doubt the <snicker> "conspiracy" part, but if you could create
> a "socialism" detector, mount it on a satelite and aim it at the
> country, I *guarantee* that Universities (except small state ones
> like Nicholls and McNeese State) and liberal arts colleges would
> show up like million-candle beacons...

Well of course... Academia is inherantly socialist or communist. You have the
FREE exchange of ideas and ideas are exchanged for the betterment as a whole.
Knowledge is no good when only one person knows it, so it becomes the "property"
of the commune. I guess then, to have a purely communist socirety, you could
only have a bunch of academics... Or maybe not...

In fact, awhile ago (long while) I remember something about Stallman being
attacked for an idea as communist as free software shared among the "commune"-ity.

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Too bad the Marxist version of statism co-opted the word
communism...

All in all, the bottom line for me is that basic human nature
is pretty constant across time and the globe and that even
though US-style capitalism is far from perfect, taken as a whole,
it's the best thing going. Hey, Linus moved over here, and RMS
hasn't fled to Cuba yet...

On Monday 08 October 2001 10:20 pm, bad-magic-number wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Now, what did your sociology professor say?
>
> He stated that as a person becomes more educated, the more to the
> left he leans because he learns to think in different ways and
> believes that the world can be improved through progress. By left, I
> mean more liberal, which means more open to change. It does of
> course also coincide with the other, meaning of liberal, more open
> to things in general. That explanation is to eliminate any confusion
> with the "liberal" term used in a derogatory manner by bigots like
> Pat Robertson.

Yeah, that's been a standard for decades.

I'm pretty educated (can find all 49 states on the map, and
know within 500 miles, where all countries are...), but I'm
not liberal.

Too bad that more "liberal" countries like Western Europe aren't
"better off" than us. Sure, they get more vacation, and better
un-employment benefits, but they need it: have you seen the
un-employment figures for the continent? I shudder when I think
about it.

In order to PAY (something that academics only think about when
they grovel for more funding) for all that social spending,
taxes are monstrous. Unfortunately, that lowers income (for
both business and individual), thus lowering the spendable
income, thus shrinking the economy. Vicious circle.

> > I doubt the <snicker> "conspiracy" part, but if you could create
> > a "socialism" detector, mount it on a satelite and aim it at the
> > country, I *guarantee* that Universities (except small state ones
> > like Nicholls and McNeese State) and liberal arts colleges would
> > show up like million-candle beacons...
>
> Well of course... Academia is inherently socialist or communist.
> You have the FREE exchange of ideas and ideas are exchanged for the
> betterment as a whole. Knowledge is no good when only one person
> knows it, so it becomes the "property" of the commune. I guess then,
> to have a purely communist socirety, you could only have a bunch of
> academics... Or maybe not...

yeah, "standing on the shoulders of giants", and all that. Vital
for scientific progress.

Unfortunately, academics can be just a petty (& more egotistical)
as the next guy: plagiarism, idea stealing, etc.

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> Too bad the Marxist version of statism co-opted the word
> communism...
>
> All in all, the bottom line for me is that basic human nature
> is pretty constant across time and the globe and that even
> though US-style capitalism is far from perfect, taken as a whole,
> it's the best thing going. Hey, Linus moved over here, and RMS
> hasn't fled to Cuba yet...

Agreed, a lot needs to be changed. First on the list... Telemarketers...
Second on the list... Cell phones !

> I'm pretty educated (can find all 49 states on the map, and
> know within 500 miles, where all countries are...), but I'm
> not liberal.

He stated they shift more to the left, but don't become enitrely leftist. Your
views of the world, etc. changed with education, did they not ?

> Too bad that more "liberal" countries like Western Europe aren't
> "better off" than us. Sure, they get more vacation, and better
> un-employment benefits, but they need it: have you seen the
> un-employment figures for the continent? I shudder when I think
> about it.
>
> In order to PAY (something that academics only think about when
> they grovel for more funding) for all that social spending,
> taxes are monstrous. Unfortunately, that lowers income (for
> both business and individual), thus lowering the spendable
> income, thus shrinking the economy. Vicious circle.

True, but they are getting SOMETHING for their money. Free health care,
education, well developed infrastructure (high speed trains), etc. I wouldn't
mind paying that much in taxes if I knew I was getting something back that is
proportional to what I put in. The problem of America and the anti-tax
attitude spans back to the Colonies and that same idea. Their money disappeared
and they got nothing for it. The situation has improved, but we still should
be getting more than we do for what we put in. The best example is the CIA
which has an astronomical budget and yet they can't find ONE man in a tiny
country. Pathetic.

>> > I doubt the <snicker> "conspiracy" part, but if you could create
>> > a "socialism" detector, mount it on a satelite and aim it at the
>> > country, I *guarantee* that Universities (except small state ones
>> > like Nicholls and McNeese State) and liberal arts colleges would
>> > show up like million-candle beacons...
>>
>>Well of course... Academia is inherently socialist or communist.
>>You have the FREE exchange of ideas and ideas are exchanged for the
>>betterment as a whole. Knowledge is no good when only one person
>>knows it, so it becomes the "property" of the commune. I guess then,
>>to have a purely communist socirety, you could only have a bunch of
>>academics... Or maybe not...
>>
>
> yeah, "standing on the shoulders of giants", and all that. Vital
> for scientific progress.
>
> Unfortunately, academics can be just a petty (& more egotistical)
> as the next guy: plagiarism, idea stealing, etc.

True, you will always have people like that. There are those who aren't like
that and unfortunately, due to society, they are in a minority. Like the
popular saying says... "The nice guy never wins." I guess working for the
betterment of the whole is a stupid and useless idea, right?

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sound a lot like communism and that failed but then again Jeremy people like
will always follow a Stalin like character to a utopian bullet in the head.

God help us,
matt

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Agreed, a lot needs to be changed. First on the list... Telemarketers...
Second on the list... Cell phones !

> I'm pretty educated (can find all 49 states on the map, and
> know within 500 miles, where all countries are...), but I'm
> not liberal.

He stated they shift more to the left, but don't become enitrely leftist.
Your
views of the world, etc. changed with education, did they not ?

True, but they are getting SOMETHING for their money. Free health care,
education, well developed infrastructure (high speed trains), etc. I
wouldn't
mind paying that much in taxes if I knew I was getting something back that
is
proportional to what I put in. The problem of America and the anti-tax
attitude spans back to the Colonies and that same idea. Their money
disappeared
and they got nothing for it. The situation has improved, but we still
should
be getting more than we do for what we put in. The best example is the CIA
which has an astronomical budget and yet they can't find ONE man in a tiny
country. Pathetic.

True, you will always have people like that. There are those who aren't
like
that and unfortunately, due to society, they are in a minority. Like the
popular saying says... "The nice guy never wins." I guess working for the
betterment of the whole is a stupid and useless idea, right?

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matthew wrote:
> sound a lot like communism and that failed but then again Jeremy people like
> will always follow a Stalin like character to a utopian bullet in the head.
>
> God help us,
> matt

You think *I* like or would have followed Stalin who perverted Marx?!? Boy,
someone's been smoking some good stuff... Its easy to make statements like that
when you don't know the person. You have shown your colors.

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On Tuesday 09 October 2001 01:00 am, bad-magic-number wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
> > I'm pretty educated (can find all 49 states on the map, and
> > know within 500 miles, where all countries are...), but I'm
> > not liberal.
>
> He stated they shift more to the left, but don't become enitrely
> leftist. Your views of the world, etc. changed with education, did
> they not ?

Well, sure; because I know more things... The new bits of data
had to be integrated in...

However, there have been no drastic changes in the last 7-8
years.

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I tried to post this link last week, but I agree this a very funny site.

But does anyone want to take bets on how long the real Bin Laden will live
or what weapon finally gets him.

I personally am leaning towards less than one month from now and 50 cal
sniper.

Matt

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I know this is dumb, but it gave me a couple of laughs:

www.fieler.com/terror

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matthew wrote:
> But does anyone want to take bets on how long the real Bin Laden will live
> or what weapon finally gets him.
>
> I personally am leaning towards less than one month from now and 50 cal
> sniper.

My bet is that he won't get caught any time soon. And the irony in that is
this... He's using SAT phones made in America while using American satellites
and we still haven't caught him. I think that's even more funny (and so has
everyone I've told).
Jeremy
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he shut down his satellite phone as soon as the attacks on the towers...we
did know his location up until then..

__
Eddie Benson
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> matthew wrote:
> > But does anyone want to take bets on how long the real Bin
> Laden will live
> > or what weapon finally gets him.
> >
> > I personally am leaning towards less than one month from now and 50 cal
> > sniper.
>
> My bet is that he won't get caught any time soon. And the irony
> in that is
> this... He's using SAT phones made in America while using
> American satellites
> and we still haven't caught him. I think that's even more funny
> (and so has
> everyone I've told).
> Jeremy
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On Sunday 07 October 2001 12:58 am, bad-magic-number wrote:
> matthew wrote:
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> My bet is that he won't get caught any time soon. And the irony in
> that is this... He's using SAT phones made in America while using
> American satellites and we still haven't caught him. I think that's
[snip]

He stopped, or severely minimized, using Sat & cell phones 3
years ago after that round of Tomahawk strikes. He heard from
"American" news sources that we had tracked him down with our
satelites that way. Now he mostly uses couriers.

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so I guess we send the couriers to allah.

matt

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On Monday 08 October 2001 10:22 am, matthew wrote:
> so I guess we send the couriers to allah.
>
>
> matt

Well, that's the general idea, but finding a courier with a
spy sat isn't as easy as detecting a radio xmission...

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> Of Ron Johnson
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> To: nolug@nolug.org
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] relieving frustration
>
> On Sunday 07 October 2001 12:58 am, bad-magic-number wrote:
> > matthew wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > My bet is that he won't get caught any time soon. And the irony
> > in that is this... He's using SAT phones made in America while
> > using American satellites and we still haven't caught him. I
> > think that's
>
> [snip]
>
> He stopped, or severely minimized, using Sat & cell phones 3
> years ago after that round of Tomahawk strikes. He heard from
> "American" news sources that we had tracked him down with our
> satelites that way. Now he mostly uses couriers.

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> Well, that's the general idea, but finding a courier with a
> spy sat isn't as easy as detecting a radio xmission...
>

No, but it's a lot more rewarding when you do :-)

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Hehe. Well me and my friend are going to shooting range and as a target using
pictures of Bin Laden. So we are getting practice :p

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> >
> > I personally am leaning towards less than one month from now and 50 cal
> > sniper.
>
> My bet is that he won't get caught any time soon. And the irony in that is
> this... He's using SAT phones made in America while using American satellites
> and we still haven't caught him. I think that's even more funny (and so has
> everyone I've told).
> Jeremy
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> Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc2
>
> "United we stand... United we FALL..." -- doubt of solidarity
>
> "Feed a programmer... Buy software..." -- ME vs. the Warez "doodz"
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Konrad wrote:
> Hehe. Well me and my friend are going to shooting range and as a target using
> pictures of Bin Laden. So we are getting practice :p
>

*lol* Boy, just reading that puts me in the mood for a HalfLife LAN party.... =)
Jeremy
- --
- ---
\8)=
- ---
bad-magic-number ICQ--100482698
(aka Slink)
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| w w w . e t e r n i t y - t e c h n o l o g i e s . n e t |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
(root@kharybdis)/> e2fsck /dev/sdc2
e2fsck 1.15, 18-Jul-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc2

"United we stand... United we FALL..." -- doubt of solidarity

"Feed a programmer... Buy software..." -- ME vs. the Warez "doodz"

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