archives: Fw: Afghan TV from Joey Kelly on 2001-12-21 (nolugarchives)

From: Joey Kelly <looseduk_at_ductape.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:05:25 +0000
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Joey Kelly
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"When Government fears the people, it's liberty.
When people fear the Government, it's tyranny."
-- Benjamin Franklin

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----- Original Message -----
From: <Spinoza321@aol.com>
To: General Physics Discussion List <physics@u.washington.edu>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 10:24 PM
Subject: Afghan TV

> Afghan TV
>
> MONDAYS:
> 8:00 - "Husseinfeld"
> 8:30 - "Mad About Everything"
> 9:00 - "Suddenly Sanctions"
> 9:30 - "The Brian Benben Bin Laden Show"
> 10:00 - "Allah McBeal"
>
> TUESDAYS:
> 8:00 - "Wheel of Terror and Fortune"
> 8:30 - "The Price is Right If Usama Says Its Right"
> 9:00 - "Children Are Forbidden From Saying The Darndest Things"
> 9:30 - "Afganistans Wackiest Public Execution Bloopers"
> 10:00 - "Buffy The Yankee Imperialist Dog Slayer"
>
> WEDNESDAYS:
> 8:00 - "U.S. Military Secrets Revealed"
> 8:30 - "When Northern Alliance Attack"
> 9:00 - "Two Guys, a Girl, and a Pita Bread"
> 9:30 - "Just Shoot Everyone"
> 10:00 - "Veilwatch"
>
> THURSDAYS:
> 8:00 - "Matima Loves Chachi"
> 8:30 - "M*U*S*T*A*S*H"
> 9:00 - "Veronicas Closet Full of Long, Black,
> Shapeless Dresses and Veils"
> 9:30 - "My Two Baghdads"
> 10:00 - "Diagnosis: Heresy"
>
> FRIDAYS:
> 8:00 - "Judge Laden"
> 8:30 - "Funniest Super 8 Home Movies"
> 9:00 - "Captured Northern Alliance Rebels Say the
> Darndest Things"
> 9:30 - "Achmeds Creek"
> 10:00 - "No-witness News"

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With all the arab estereotyping and demonizing, it is easy to forget the big
contributions of Islam to the development of Western Civilization. The
Islamic civilization reached its peak around 800 to 900 AD. At its peak,
the Islamic Civilization covered all of Spain, North Africa, the Middle
East, all the way to India, a time when all of Europe was sunked deep in the
Dark Ages. Islamic cities such as Cordova (Spain), Alexandria (Egipt),
Damascus (Siria), and Bagdad (Irak) boasted such modern amenities as running
water, paved streets, and sewage systems, the likes of which were not seen
in Europe until the XIX century. People enjoyed public baths for washing
while people in Europe seldom took a bath (if ever) in their life time (just
remember, Henry VIII used to take a bath every year). Islamic universities
and centers of learning were famous and boasted such learned men as
Maimonides (a great matematician, inventor of the concept of zero),
Averrodes (a great doctor and pharmacist), and others. Islamic arquitecture
was also flourishing producing marvelous buildings such as the Great Mosque
in Cordova, and the beatiful palace of La Alhambra, in Granada (Spain).
Chiefly among Muslim contributions to the development of Western
Civilization were:

Discovery of the basic laws for navigation using the movement of the stars
and the sun, and invention of such instruments as the astrolabe and the
sextant. These discoveries use to navigate in the desert, made possible long
sea trips and were basic for the later discovery and conquest of the
Americas, Australia, etc.

Astronomic discoveries and cataloguing. Astronomic arab words such as
azimuth, nadir, Aldebaran, etc. are still in use today.

Invention of the concept of zero (an invention shared with the Mayans in
Central America), and the basic, "arabic", numbers used today
(0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9), as well as Algebra, and contributions to the
development of finite mathematics that were later used by Newton and
Leibnitz for the development of Calculus.

Invention of the first catalog of plants by pharmaceutical uses and
properties which is still being used.

Preservation and propagation of the writings and ideas of greek and roman
philosophers and writers, which were it not for the Arabs, would have
disapeared forever.

Development of irrigation systems for agricultural use later on copied
throughout Europe, and the rest of the world.

At its peak, Islam also provided shelter and a very tolerant environment for
jews that were persecuted throughout christian Europe. Jewish neighborhoods
flourished in most Islamic cities such as Cordova, Sevilla (Spain), Cairo,
and Damascus. Jewish sages such as Maimonides were famous and respected.
The recent conflict between Jews and Muslims is modern, and dates back to
the creation of Israel in 1947, and to the displacement of the palestinians.
There were also christian quarters in most Islamic cities.

All this knowledge was later on trasferred to the rest of Europe, by either
conquest of muslim cities (such as the conquest of Toledo (Spain) ), or by
the arribal of European students to Muslim universities such as the one in
Cordova.

Of course, all civilizations decline (as will probably be ours). Its is
perhaps part of a cycle of renewal as new fresh people with new customs, and
new ideas that build upon the old. Remember, everything is always in
change. Things that do not change, die.

For more info go to: http://www.xmission.com:8000/~dderhak/index/moors.htm

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From: Michael Flora <mrflora@gulfsouth.verio.net>
To: <nolug@nolug.org>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: [Nolug] Fw: Afghan TV

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Spinoza321@aol.com>
> To: General Physics Discussion List <physics@u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 10:24 PM
> Subject: Afghan TV
>
>
> > Afghan TV
> >
> > MONDAYS:
> > 8:00 - "Husseinfeld"
> > 8:30 - "Mad About Everything"
> > 9:00 - "Suddenly Sanctions"
> > 9:30 - "The Brian Benben Bin Laden Show"
> > 10:00 - "Allah McBeal"
> >
> > TUESDAYS:
> > 8:00 - "Wheel of Terror and Fortune"
> > 8:30 - "The Price is Right If Usama Says Its Right"
> > 9:00 - "Children Are Forbidden From Saying The Darndest Things"
> > 9:30 - "Afganistans Wackiest Public Execution Bloopers"
> > 10:00 - "Buffy The Yankee Imperialist Dog Slayer"
> >
> > WEDNESDAYS:
> > 8:00 - "U.S. Military Secrets Revealed"
> > 8:30 - "When Northern Alliance Attack"
> > 9:00 - "Two Guys, a Girl, and a Pita Bread"
> > 9:30 - "Just Shoot Everyone"
> > 10:00 - "Veilwatch"
> >
> > THURSDAYS:
> > 8:00 - "Matima Loves Chachi"
> > 8:30 - "M*U*S*T*A*S*H"
> > 9:00 - "Veronicas Closet Full of Long, Black,
> > Shapeless Dresses and Veils"
> > 9:30 - "My Two Baghdads"
> > 10:00 - "Diagnosis: Heresy"
> >
> > FRIDAYS:
> > 8:00 - "Judge Laden"
> > 8:30 - "Funniest Super 8 Home Movies"
> > 9:00 - "Captured Northern Alliance Rebels Say the
> > Darndest Things"
> > 9:30 - "Achmeds Creek"
> > 10:00 - "No-witness News"
>
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On Monday 08 October 2001 11:17 pm, carlos wrote:
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> For more info go to:
> http://www.xmission.com:8000/~dderhak/index/moors.htm

Very interesting reading. This is very disturbing:
<quote>
Ironically, it wasn't just the strength of the Christians that
defeated the Arabs but the disharmony among the Moor's own ranks.
Like Greece and Rome that proceeded them, the Moors of Al-Andalus
fell into moral decay and wandered from the intellect that had
made them great.
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Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On Monday 08 October 2001 11:17 pm, carlos wrote:
> [snip]
>
>>For more info go to:
>>http://www.xmission.com:8000/~dderhak/index/moors.htm
>>
>
> Very interesting reading. This is very disturbing:
> <quote>
> Ironically, it wasn't just the strength of the Christians that
> defeated the Arabs but the disharmony among the Moor's own ranks.
> Like Greece and Rome that proceeded them, the Moors of Al-Andalus
> fell into moral decay and wandered from the intellect that had
> made them great.
> </quote>

History repeating itself... I wonder if the situation behind that is similar to
the problems with the current Israeli occupation of Palestinian land.
Jeremy
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On Tuesday 09 October 2001 12:30 am, bad-magic-number wrote:
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> > On Monday 08 October 2001 11:17 pm, carlos wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> >>For more info go to:
> >>http://www.xmission.com:8000/~dderhak/index/moors.htm
> >
> > Very interesting reading. This is very disturbing:
> > <quote>
> > Ironically, it wasn't just the strength of the Christians that
> > defeated the Arabs but the disharmony among the Moor's own ranks.
> > Like Greece and Rome that proceeded them, the Moors of Al-Andalus
> > fell into moral decay and wandered from the intellect that had
> > made them great.
> > </quote>
>
> History repeating itself... I wonder if the situation behind that is
> similar to the problems with the current Israeli occupation of
> Palestinian land. Jeremy

Israel is *not* occupying Palestinian land. It is occupying land
that it captured from Egypt (the Gaza strip), Jordan (the West
Bank) and Syria (the Golan Heights) that it captured during the
Arab/Egyptians' last attempt to exterminate the Jews (1973 war).

Israel also captured the Sinai peninsula from Egypt, and gave it
back as part of the '79 peace treaty.

The whole region was created out of whole cloth (and "managed" by
the Brits) after WW1 and the defeat of the Ottoman *Empire*,
and then they gave it up after WW2.

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Ron Johnson wrote:
>>History repeating itself... I wonder if the situation behind that is
>>similar to the problems with the current Israeli occupation of
>>Palestinian land. Jeremy
>>
>
> Israel is *not* occupying Palestinian land. It is occupying land
> that it captured from Egypt (the Gaza strip), Jordan (the West
> Bank) and Syria (the Golan Heights) that it captured during the
> Arab/Egyptians' last attempt to exterminate the Jews (1973 war).
>
> Israel also captured the Sinai peninsula from Egypt, and gave it
> back as part of the '79 peace treaty.
>
> The whole region was created out of whole cloth (and "managed" by
> the Brits) after WW1 and the defeat of the Ottoman *Empire*,
> and then they gave it up after WW2.

Then explain that to the thousands of Palestinians who have been displaced due
to the creation of the state of Israel. The whole mess started with the
creation of a Jewish state. Leaving it as a unified state would have been fine,
but making a distinction based on religion was the mistake.

http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/index.html

Jeremy
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Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc2

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On Tuesday 09 October 2001 01:19 am, bad-magic-number wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>History repeating itself... I wonder if the situation behind that
> >> is similar to the problems with the current Israeli occupation of
> >> Palestinian land. Jeremy
> >
> > Israel is *not* occupying Palestinian land. It is occupying land
> > that it captured from Egypt (the Gaza strip), Jordan (the West
> > Bank) and Syria (the Golan Heights) that it captured during the
> > Arab/Egyptians' last attempt to exterminate the Jews (1973 war).
> >
> > Israel also captured the Sinai peninsula from Egypt, and gave it
> > back as part of the '79 peace treaty.
> >
> > The whole region was created out of whole cloth (and "managed" by
> > the Brits) after WW1 and the defeat of the Ottoman *Empire*,
> > and then they gave it up after WW2.
>
> Then explain that to the thousands of Palestinians who have been
> displaced due to the creation of the state of Israel. The whole mess
> started with the creation of a Jewish state. Leaving it as a unified
> state would have been fine, but making a distinction based on
> religion was the mistake.
>
> http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/index.html

Then you know something I didn't know: "On November 29, 1947,
the General Assembly of the United Nations voted with a 2/3
majority to partition western Palestine into a Jewish and an
Arab state."

http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/part.html
"Over 75% of the land allocated to the Jews was desert. Desperate
to find a haven for the remnants of European Jewry after the
Holocaust, the Jewish population accepted the plan which accorded
them a diminished state."

"The Arabs, intent on preventing any Jewish entity in Palestine,
rejected it."

Did the Jews kick the Palestinians out of the Jewish State?

http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/invade.html
'The Arabs not only rejected partition, but attacked Israel
from all sides. On the day that Israel declared its independence,
the Arab League Secretary, General Azzam Pasha declared "jihad",
a holy war. He said, "This will be a war of extermination and
a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian
massacres and the Crusades".(1) The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin
Al Husseini stated, "I declare a holy war, my Moslem brothers!
Murder the Jews! Murder them all!" (2) The armies of lebanon,
Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq invaded the tiny new country with
the declared intent of destroying it.(3)'

http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/arm.html
So, the "West Bank" was to be the Palestinian home land, but
Jordan conquered it... "The Jordanians took over East Jerusalem
and a large portion of land on the west bank of the Jordan River"

This is the best part here:
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/refuge.html

http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/refs.html
'In effect, then, a vertible exchange of populations took
place between Arab and Jewish refugees. Thus the Jewish refugees
became full Israeli citizens while the Arab refugees remained
"refugees" according to the wishes of the Arab leaders.'

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It looks like we went from having a Jewish problem to having a Palestinian
problem. Now, the jews do not want palestinian inside Israel as it would
lose its jewish character (there are more than 5 million palestinian to 3
million jews), and the palestinians do not want the jews as the jews
possesing more education will undoubtedly dominate. There we have a problem
that will last ages. Lets get back to Linux!!

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Then you know something I didn't know: "On November 29, 1947,
the General Assembly of the United Nations voted with a 2/3
majority to partition western Palestine into a Jewish and an
Arab state."

"The Arabs, intent on preventing any Jewish entity in Palestine,
rejected it."

Did the Jews kick the Palestinians out of the Jewish State?

This is the best part here:
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/refuge.html

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> Preservation and propagation of the writings and ideas of greek and roman
> philosophers and writers, which were it not for the Arabs, would have
> disapeared forever.

These philosophers assisted in mankinds self-destructive decline.

> Development of irrigation systems for agricultural use later on copied
> throughout Europe, and the rest of the world.

This type of farming had been in use since before pre-babylonian times.

> At its peak, Islam also provided shelter and a very tolerant environment
for
> jews that were persecuted throughout christian Europe. Jewish
neighborhoods
> flourished in most Islamic cities such as Cordova, Sevilla (Spain), Cairo,
> and Damascus. Jewish sages such as Maimonides were famous and respected.
> The recent conflict between Jews and Muslims is modern, and dates back to
> the creation of Israel in 1947, and to the displacement of the
palestinians.
> There were also christian quarters in most Islamic cities.

Just a reminder here. Israel existed a long time before this,in case you
forgot the 12 tribes of Israel.

> Of course, all civilizations decline (as will probably be ours). Its is
> perhaps part of a cycle of renewal as new fresh people with new customs,
and
> new ideas that build upon the old. Remember, everything is always in
> change. Things that do not change, die.

If you knew, or cared enough about yourself to know, the bible well you
would realize that our civilization will not decline as the 4 great kingdoms
of the world that were predicted by King Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the
statue have come and gone. The next newest and greatest idea will be the
mandating of religious observance by law. And that will signify that the
end is "even at the door".

The Lord changes not. And as far I can see, he is still alive and well,
waiting to return.
~

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