Re: [Nolug] Introducing myself

I would be happy to help you grok python(1). Or really, anything for
that matter.

There are plenty of ways to get your app running in android. What
types of apps are you looking to dev?

I am going to completely disagree with you that PHP is a good first
language. It is sloppy, and full of horrendous examples. Python is a
much better language to learn on. I suggest to my interns that they
learn python first. C# second (# particularly because of mono and the
semantics that go along with it). And then branch off from there. Of
course, that is only a suggestion to them.

Reference 1:
http://xkcd.com/353/

:)

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Petri Laihonen <pietu@weblizards.net> wrote:
> I think PHP is very good for people like me, who know nothing about
> programming and have no education in computer sciences.
> Then on the other hand, If I have a need and time to learn other
> languages, I will.
>
> The next one I may have to pick up a bit is java. Seems like Android
> development is java only and I may have to create an android client to
> interface with our content platform.
>
> For a very short period of time, I did consider looking into iPhuck
> (iPhoney seems to be taken) SDK, but since leopard does not like to run
> in VM, I scraped the idea. Buying an outrageously expensive Macs only
> for checking out the SDK is out of the question....
>
> Petri
>
> Dennis J Harrison Jr wrote:
>> I have used php here and there since 1998. I will never willingly
>> touch it again :)
>>
>> /RANT ON
>>
>> It has trash for unit tests and PDO is buggier than all get out. Lack
>> of real name spaces is also a minor annoyance. And what really turned
>> me off, was I guess... having to constantly fix very poorly written
>> code. Not to mention that it completely and totally pales in
>> comparison to python/c#/java(shudder)/erlang(syntax?!)/boo/C/etc...
>> for any sort of heavy lifting/programmer sanity. Especially in a
>> larger code base such as a project like sugarcrm is bound to have.
>> And then the wide spread use of smarty... ugh. I guess... if I were
>> to use php again today, it would be wielded in a totally different
>> manner. But I can't see myself giving up all the easy buttons python
>> has spoiled me with.
>>
>> Have a peak at trellis for an example of something you can't sanely do
>> somewhere else.
>> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/Trellis
>>
>> Also, the much hated ZODB (aka, super pickle!) :)
>>
>> Although, to each their own. And please forgive my zealous opinion :)
>> As I am clearly a python advocate.
>>
>> My view is that python is the best language to use unless you have a
>> very good reason for using another language (you NEED multi threading
>> and can't cope using events... etc)
>> Which then usually has me in C.
>>
>> Not to say that I am blind to the much touted reasons for so much dev
>> continuing to be done in php. I am just lucky enough not to 'need' to
>> use php any more.
>>
>> /RANT OFF
>>
>> Africa?! Sounds fun.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Mark A. Hershberger <mah@everybody.org> wrote:
>>
>>> "Dennis J Harrison Jr" <dennisharrison@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone use PHP because it is "well supported, and mature" ?
>>>>
>>> I use PHP because it is available everywhere and almost anyone can pick
>>> it up quickly.
>>>
>>> Which, in some sense, means it is well supported and mature.
>>>
>>> What fascinates me is how some people use PHP as a fast-and-loose
>>> script-it-now language, others use it like C — trying to get as much
>>> performance as possible and worrying about things like variable
>>> interpolation in strings, and still others (the project I'm working on)
>>> use it as a "real" OO language for building enterprise applications.
>>>
>>> PHP is better at "worse is better" than Perl is. (And, yes, Perl is my
>>> true love.)
>>>
>>> Mark.
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