Re: [Nolug] Introducing myself

Hey but I would not know anything about PHP's sloppiness nor its examples
being horrendous. I have nothing to compare to.... ....err actually I
do. .ASP. And I would never change PHP into ASP.....

ASP was the first "language" I got into due to necessity. Then became PHP,
also due to necessity of getting rid of some M$ stuff we had and my
growing interest of replacing all Windows servers with Linux.
(Unfortunately I still have one Winbox. Though I'm running Apache, MySql,
PHP, Perl in that winbox.)

I tried to get into C++ a while back, but there seems to be some
prerequisite concepts which needs to be understood before even starting
and I found no good start point.... even organizing the operational
workspace seems confusing. Then run out of time...

I guess my way of learning does not suit to it, as I learn through working
examples (Even in PHP).... Reading books does not teach me anything. It
is like just a bunch of letters arranged after each other with no
comprehensive meaning.

Petri

> I am going to completely disagree with you that PHP is a good first
> language. It is sloppy, and full of horrendous examples. Python is a
> much better language to learn on. I suggest to my interns that they
> learn python first. C# second (# particularly because of mono and the
> semantics that go along with it). And then branch off from there. Of
> course, that is only a suggestion to them.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Petri Laihonen <pietu@weblizards.net>
> wrote:
>> I think PHP is very good for people like me, who know nothing about
>> programming and have no education in computer sciences.
>> Then on the other hand, If I have a need and time to learn other
>> languages, I will.
>>
>> The next one I may have to pick up a bit is java. Seems like Android
>> development is java only and I may have to create an android client to
>> interface with our content platform.
>>
>> For a very short period of time, I did consider looking into iPhuck
>> (iPhoney seems to be taken) SDK, but since leopard does not like to run
>> in VM, I scraped the idea. Buying an outrageously expensive Macs only
>> for checking out the SDK is out of the question....
>>
>> Petri
>>
>> Dennis J Harrison Jr wrote:
>>> I have used php here and there since 1998. I will never willingly
>>> touch it again :)
>>>
>>> /RANT ON
>>>
>>> It has trash for unit tests and PDO is buggier than all get out. Lack
>>> of real name spaces is also a minor annoyance. And what really turned
>>> me off, was I guess... having to constantly fix very poorly written
>>> code. Not to mention that it completely and totally pales in
>>> comparison to python/c#/java(shudder)/erlang(syntax?!)/boo/C/etc...
>>> for any sort of heavy lifting/programmer sanity. Especially in a
>>> larger code base such as a project like sugarcrm is bound to have.
>>> And then the wide spread use of smarty... ugh. I guess... if I were
>>> to use php again today, it would be wielded in a totally different
>>> manner. But I can't see myself giving up all the easy buttons python
>>> has spoiled me with.
>>>
>>> Have a peak at trellis for an example of something you can't sanely do
>>> somewhere else.
>>> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/Trellis
>>>
>>> Also, the much hated ZODB (aka, super pickle!) :)
>>>
>>> Although, to each their own. And please forgive my zealous opinion :)
>>> As I am clearly a python advocate.
>>>
>>> My view is that python is the best language to use unless you have a
>>> very good reason for using another language (you NEED multi threading
>>> and can't cope using events... etc)
>>> Which then usually has me in C.
>>>
>>> Not to say that I am blind to the much touted reasons for so much dev
>>> continuing to be done in php. I am just lucky enough not to 'need' to
>>> use php any more.
>>>
>>> /RANT OFF
>>>
>>> Africa?! Sounds fun.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Mark A. Hershberger
>>> <mah@everybody.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dennis J Harrison Jr" <dennisharrison@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone use PHP because it is "well supported, and mature" ?
>>>>>
>>>> I use PHP because it is available everywhere and almost anyone can
>>>> pick
>>>> it up quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Which, in some sense, means it is well supported and mature.
>>>>
>>>> What fascinates me is how some people use PHP as a fast-and-loose
>>>> script-it-now language, others use it like C — trying to get as much
>>>> performance as possible and worrying about things like variable
>>>> interpolation in strings, and still others (the project I'm working
>>>> on)
>>>> use it as a "real" OO language for building enterprise applications.
>>>>
>>>> PHP is better at "worse is better" than Perl is. (And, yes, Perl is my
>>>> true love.)
>>>>
>>>> Mark.
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