On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Jerry Wilborn <jerrywilborn@gmail.com>wrote:
> Yeah, I think it's useful to separate Wales from Wikipedia. In an opinion
> piece (
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107104574572101333074122.html)
> attributed to Jimmy Wales he says "Everyone who is online should have a
> sense of accountability and responsibility."
>
> Regarding Zuckerberg, while he has no issue playing fast and loose with
> user data to make a buck, he made clear his view that you should have a
> single online identity that you carry around: "Having two identities for
> yourself is an example of a lack of integrity." (
> http://venturebeat.com/2010/<http://venturebeat.com/2010/05/13/zuckerberg-privacy/>
>
of course it's a lack of integrity and since the integrity of the data is a
factor in determining its value, ole Zuckerbugg depends on the single
identity to make his data valuable. You can't capitalize on anonymous users
or shaky identities. Regardless of the flourishing rhetoric one may use to
make some ethical, moral, or even legal argument about identities...it
devolves in all cases to the dollar (not saying that's a bad thing, dollars
are how I pay my bills too). At least, God's never come down from his
throne and said, "let me take care of that for you." (Not discounting the
potential of divine influence on my ability to collect dollars...just saying
the mortgage company probably wouldn't accept his word as payment is all.)
> 05/13/zuckerberg-privacy/<http://venturebeat.com/2010/05/13/zuckerberg-privacy/>)
> To which Poole, while at SXSW, claimed would cost us the "innocence of
> youth".
>
> I'd argue that anonymity and accountability are mutually exclusive, and
> that Wales and Zuckerberg share a similar views. If I had to put Asange in
> a group, I'd say he's with Poole/Newmark.
>
anonymity, accountability....yeah...still about the dollars.
>
> Also worth watching for those who want to hear more from Wales:
> http://fora.tv/2010/05/18/Debate_The_Internet_and_Democracy#fullprogram
>
> Jerry Wilborn
> jerrywilborn@gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Mark A. Hershberger <mah@everybody.org>wrote:
>
>> Jerry Wilborn <jerrywilborn@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Aside, it's funny you mention the "everyone has a voice". Right now the
>> > tech media (Wired, etc) seem to be fascinated with the polar ideas of
>> "total
>> > anonymity" (Christopher Pool, Craig Newmark) vs "total accountability"
>> (Mark
>> > Zuck, Jimmy Whales to some extent). It'll be interesting to see how
>> society
>> > coalesces around these ideas as the internet becomes deeper embedded in
>> > social activities.
>>
>> You seem to be confusing Julian Assange of Wikileaks with Jimbo Wales
>> of Wikipedia.
>>
>> But just in case: These two things are not opposites. Or maybe I'm
>> misreading what you're saying. Also, putting Wikipedia in the same boat
>> as Facebook seems counter-intuitive.
>>
>> Wikipedia is a volunteer-run organisation website where privacy of
>> contributors is closely guarded. This is one of the major reasons you
>> don't see paid advertisements on Wikipedia.
>>
>> Facebook sells personal information that you give them to almost anyone
>> that will pay.
>>
>> Perhaps you were talking about the vision statement of the non-profit
>> foundation that runs Wikipedia:
>>
>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
>> the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment.
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: I work for Wikimedia as their “Bugmeister”.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
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