On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 00:15, Andrew S. Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 08:52 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> > Thus, if your databases are steady-state, and your apps don't change,
> > you are very, very fortunate.
>
> One advantage of having the final say in what may go on my servers.
> <evil laugh>
> Stuff I don't want I pass to IT, and let the DBA there pull his hair out.
> </evil laugh>
Well, since it isn't *my* server, and sometimes isn't even owned by the
company (if purchased directly by the Agency), often I get *no* say, or
minimal say, as to what data goes in it.
> > Remember, also, that DEC ported VMS to Alpha 11 years ago, and is
> > in the process of porting it to Itanium (it's already bootstrapped
> > in the lab, with FCS later this year).
>
> I read about this a while ago. It won't be enough to save VMS. At some
> point even the faithful in denial will have to acknowledge the truth as
> they watch the last shovelful of dirt being tossed onto the coffin.
Well, a lot of Very Large enterprises still *depend* on VMS, so I'd say
that only the 1st 1 or 2 shovelfuls of dirt have been tossed in.
By 2006, though, all of our apps should be ported to Java & Posix C, and
then any contracts after that will get *ix + Java.
Even after that, though, for our large customers, since it would be
expensive to convert, and the systems to work under VMS, they might
stay with Alpha/VMS for a few more years, just migrating to Itanium/VMS.
Why? Even now, HP sells in-cabinet CPU card swap-outs, for people who
run Tru64 and want to move to HP-UX while retaining the rest of their
purchased infrastructure.
In the case of a VMS swap, the data wont even have to be converted, just
the CPUs and software...
> If people will pay for pet psychiatrists and pet rocks, then maybe I can
> make a little money as a "abandoned software" grievance counselor.
5 years ago, people said the same thing about mainframes. Of course,
IBM has always had more business acumen than DECpaq/HP, and thus was
able to survive.
I may be wrong, but you seem to have a very small-systems view of
the world. (By small systems, I mean a "starting on single-user PCs
and then watching them grow multi-user". In my business career, I've
worked on "big systems", and watched them get physically smaller, and
faster. These 2 starting points, it seems to me, create 2 different
perceptions of reality...)
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