RE: RE: [Nolug] Missing the point (Re: updating a RedHat box)

>> Having a 3rd party blindly modify my system scares most SysAdmins.

Yea I'm sure it would scare most SysAdmins, but I don't know Linux well
enough to know what I'm looking at otherwise so what do I lose. I have two
systems one is an email gateway and the other is my laptop which gets
updated MUCH more often. I've really never had a problem. (That I haven't
created myself)

>> The way many Debianite SysAdmins do it is to apt-get updates at night
>> via cron in *download* mode, and then manually run apt-get to eye-ball
>> what apt-get wants to do, in case (for example) and upgrade libc6
>> wants to upgrade everything else.
>>
>> Takes more time that way, but could avert disaster if there's a bug in
>> a downloaded package.

Yes that probably would be better and would advert disaster. But what am I
looking at again?
I still think RHN is the fastest and easiest way to update a RHN system
especially if you can't get to it (console/SSH) to update it. If you know
what you are doing and can do the apt-get or comparable action for your
distro that would defiantly be better and much less like 'Active Update'

But here's a question, what do you do if you have 100+ systems you need to
update? With RHN you could update one system and test it, then schedule it
for the rest. How would this be accomplished with deb, SuSE, etc...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 12:28 PM
To: NOLUG ML
Subject: RE: RE: [Nolug] Missing the point (Re: updating a RedHat box)

On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 11:54, Wimprine, Thomas wrote:
> I was actually referring to the ability to keep them up to date
(up2date...
> ok bad pun). RHN makes it really easy and it can be another offered
service,
> but if you don't have RHN it's a total pain in the ass to reregister and
> update it every x days. My systems are all updated every time there is a
> published errata and I never need to log onto the systems.

Having a 3rd party blindly modify my system scares most SysAdmins.

The way many Debianite SysAdmins do it is to apt-get updates at night
via cron in *download* mode, and then manually run apt-get to eye-ball
what apt-get wants to do, in case (for example) and upgrade libc6
wants to upgrade everything else.

Takes more time that way, but could avert disaster if there's a bug in
a downloaded package.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jdtiede@bellsouth.net [mailto:jdtiede@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 11:45 AM
> To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> Subject: Re: RE: [Nolug] Missing the point (Re: updating a RedHat box)
>
>
> It's cheaper to buy a new RH distro for $40 every two years than to
> subscribe to RHN. Or cheaper yet, just download a new one and burn a CD.
> ============================================================
> From: "Wimprine, Thomas" <twimprine@stei.com>
> Date: 2003/05/17 Sat PM 12:06:29 EDT
> To: "'nolug@joeykelly.net'" <nolug@joeykelly.net>
> Subject: RE: [Nolug] Missing the point (Re: updating a RedHat box)
>
> If they want to continue running RH they may want to upgrade. I believe RH
> will only actively maintain the distro up to two revs. back. (They are at
9
> they won't support 6.x) So the next upgrade they will be left behind. If
> they don't subscribe to RHN I would recommend moving them to another
distro.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:56 AM
> To: NOLUG ML
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] Missing the point (Re: updating a RedHat box)
>
>
> On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 04:38, Joey Kelly wrote:
> > I didn't mean I wanted to jump from 7.x to 9.0, I meant simply making
sure
>
> > that all of the packages were patched to safe levels. It's a 2.2 kernel,
I
>
> > share Ron's willies concerning jumping to a 2.4.
> >
> > SuSE lets me point YaST at their ftp server, in the x.y directory, and
> they
> > maintain each point release, allowing me to stay bug-free, etc. Can RH
> keep
> > me at 7.x with current bug- and security-fixes?
>
> Get RHN, and see what happens?
>
> > Thou spake:
> > >Joey,
> > > Just get the new install CDs. When you boot, one of the options is
> > >to upgrade.
> > >Dave Prentice
> > >prentice@instruction.com
> > >http://www.originsresource.org
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Joey Kelly <joey@joeykelly.net>
> > >To: nolug@joeykelly.net <nolug@joeykelly.net>
> > >Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:58 PM
> > >Subject: [Nolug] updating a RedHat box
> > >
> > >>Hey all,
> > >>
> > >>One of my clients has a RedHat box that I need to update. I haven't
> > >
> > >ever run
> > >
> > >>RH before, and don't know how to update the thing. Yeah, I know I
> > >
> > >could
> > >
> > >>update individual rpms, but that's a drag.
> > >>
> > >>Is there some update utility that I can run and sync to current
> > >
> > >levels for
> > >
> > >>his versiion (I think it's 7.something)? I seem to remember that such
> > >
> > >was
> > >
> > >>available from RH for a fee (which is one more in a long list of
> > >
> > >reasons why
> > >
> > >>don't want to run RH personally). Are there third-party updaters
> > >
> > >available?
> > >
> > >>Or should I make my client pay for the RH service?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks.
> > >>--
> > >>
> > >>Joey Kelly
> > >>< Minister of the Gospel | Computer Networking Consultant >
> > >>http://joeykelly.net

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