Re: RE: [Nolug] Distro suggestions

On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 10:22, jdtiede@bellsouth.net wrote:
> "Who's lying" is an easy one!

Tut tut!! There's enough lying going on in DC on both sides
to fill a mile-long train of box cars.

> ============================================================
> From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
> Date: 2003/11/07 Fri AM 10:36:52 EST
> To: NOLUG ML <nolug@joeykelly.net>
> Subject: RE: [Nolug] Distro suggestions
>
> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 09:07, Pietu wrote:
> > POLITICS SUXX!!!
>
> I don't think we're arguing about who's right or wrong, or who
> should be President, or who's a lying, cheating scum, etc.
>
> > I prefer computers.
> >
> > P
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-nolug@joeykelly.net [mailto:owner-nolug@joeykelly.net]On
> > > Behalf Of Mark A. Hershberger
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:40 PM
> > > To: nolug@joeykelly.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Nolug] Distro suggestions
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> writes:
> > >
> > > > Well, if you're not a drone, "socialist" has a pretty specific
> > > > meaning (try 'dict socialist'). Same with "free enterprise".
> > >
> > > $ dict socialist
> > > [...]
> > > One who advocates or practices the doctrines of socialism.
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > # That didn't help much.
> > > $ dict socialism
> > > [...]
> > > a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Your original statement was:
> > >
> > > > Or, are you a socialist (it's a free country*, after all), and
> > > > dislike free enterprise?
> > >
> > > Then, if I were a socialist, wouldn't I dislike Debian since it wasn't
> > > owned by the state (and, in fact, it's social compact seems to bar
> > > state ownership)? Debian is a product of free enterprise, after all.
> > >
> > > $ dict 'free enterprise'
> > >
> > > n : an economy that relies chiefly on market forces to allocate
> > > goods and resources and to determine prices [syn: {market
> > > economy}, {laissez-faire economy}] [ant: {non-market
> > > economy}]
> > >
> > > Debian fits the bill since work for its development (a finite
> > > resource) is allocated by market forces.
> > >
> > > Back to this last email:
> > >
> > > > You are absolutely right when you say that "extreme liberal" is has
> > > > a loaded context (which is why I didn't use it).
> > >
> > > Yes, you did. I didn't quote it in my response. Here is the full quote:
> > >
> > > > Or, are you a socialist (it's a free country*, after all), and
> > > > dislike free enterprise?
> > > >
> > > > You've installed vrms, right?
> > > >
> > > > * I've worked with 2 extreme liberals who had Top Secret clearance
> > > > during the Reagan/Bush1 years, working in the DoD.
> > >
> > > Check out the Socialism FAQ
> > > (http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dmcm/Articles/FAQ.htm). Are they a bunch
> > > of drones? Who knows?
> > >
> > > As for myself, I'm neither a socialist nor do I "dislike" free
> > > enterprise.
> > >
> > > I believe in the equal distribution of goods (which puts me close to
> > > socialism) but don't believe in using the coercive force of government
> > > to accomplish that goal.
> > >
> > > Also, I own and am currently solely supported by my own business as a
> > > consultant (so I have some appreciate for free enterprise), but I'm
> > > pretty far from being a conservative advocate of capitalism.
> > >
> > > Finally, I'm not an idealist, so feel free to use Debian (or not) for
> > > your own reasons. I happen to have an appreciation for the freedoms
> > > that the GPL is meant to guarantee. Most people don't, though, so
> > > I'm not surprised that they use other OSes like MS Windows,
> > >
> > > And, no, I don't have vrms installed, but I may install it as a
> > > curiosity.
> > >
> > > Confused yet? ;-)
> > >
> > > Mark.

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Ron Johnson, Jr. ron.l.johnson@cox.net
Jefferson, LA USA
"You ask us the same question every day, and we give you the same
answer every day. Someday, we hope that you will believe us..."
U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to a reporter
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