RE: [Nolug] BellSouth Wants to Rig the Internet

Hi Dane.

I agree mostly. I think that having the service available, with some
constraints, is neat. I'll use it sometimes! :-)

I stand corrected on businesses operating without phone service.

John

    John Souvestre - Southern Star - (504) 888-3348 - www.sstar.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nolug@nolug.org [mailto:owner-nolug@nolug.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Reugger
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:11 PM
To: nolug@nolug.org
Subject: Re: [Nolug] BellSouth Wants to Rig the Internet

I'll chime in hear a bit -

I live in Mid City where it doesn't reach at all (yet) and my office is
downtown (3rd floor on Baronne St) and it works well on one side and not
at all on the other.

My first thought when I saw this was it's unfair to the local ISP but I
like the convenience. The city will be (hopefully) more efficient and
both locals and tourist will benefit - I would like to see some limits
built in - something like - keep the first 50MB per month free - then
charge per MB, block port 25 and others - basically making it so only
web surfing and downloading are available.Those willing to live w/o
additional features probably aren't your customer any ways.

As it stands, its to small and weak to worry about - but if something
isn't done it could affect sales of dial up dramatically and possibly
impact DSL as well.. I do think this is going to kill sales of those
wireless broadband cards. I suppose I wont be setting up as many home
wireless networks either :)

Many businesses and homes in New Orleans have and still are operating
w/o phones.

John Souvestre wrote:

>Hi Brett.
>
>Sure, I'm biased - I'm the one trying to stay in business, the ISP business.
>
>Consider: No business is going to open without power and phone. If they
have
>phone then odds are (based on my user base) 99% that I can supply ADSL to
>them. So where is the "emergency" need?
>
>Also, BellSouth themselves, not to mention other ISPs, already have wireless
>setups which cover downtown and other areas. BellSouth set up theirs because
>of the storm. Considering this, it sort of looks like the City is kicking
>them, not the other way around. Oh, let's not forget the wireless data
>services offered by the cell phone companies, too. And of course the Cox
>Cable system.
>
>What's the "emergency" need for 512K vs the legal 128K? 128K is all you need
>to do email and credit card verifications.
>
>Overall, I don't see it as a BIG threat. After all: No static IP, probably
>no tech support (just my guess), no security (anyone can capture your data),
>and no coverage in areas which I don't already cover.
>
>I guess that I view this as a pothole in the Internet Highway. <g>
>
>John
>
> John Souvestre - Southern Star - (504) 888-3348 - www.sstar.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-nolug@nolug.org [mailto:owner-nolug@nolug.org] On Behalf Of Brett
>D. Estrade
>Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:02 PM
>To: nolug@nolug.org
>Subject: RE: [Nolug] BellSouth Wants to Rig the Internet
>
>Doesn't that mean they are a competitor of yours as well? You are
>looking at it from a different perspective, which I understand - but
>here is how most look at it ....
>
>- hurricane hits
>- bell south tries to do a good thing (presumably innocent at first,
>but..)
>- NO opens wifi (which totally freaking rox0rz for 99.99% of those who
>are affected by it)
>- bell south cries foul, take ball home
>
>New Orleans right now is in no place to be a fair, competitive market.
>The area will require YEARS of gov't subsidies and special treatment to
>get back on its feat. It is going to be a unfair market place for years
>to come, but at the end of the day this will be good. It goes way
>beyond just internet - NO unwilling has become a test bed for many
>programs and efforts that have only been talk until now. If even a
>fraction of these new ways of thinking work out, we will be better off.
>You may not agree (understandably), but I think John Q. Public would.
>
>Brett
>
>On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:48:56 -0600, "John Souvestre" <johns@sstar.com>
>said:
>
>
>>Hi Brett.
>>
>>I don't agree. :-) The City decided to position themselves as a
>>competitor
>>to BellSouth and other ISP's (me included). I don't see anything fair
>>about a
>>tax subsidized monopoly as a competitor.
>>
>>John
>>
>> John Souvestre - Southern Star - (504) 888-3348 - www.sstar.com
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-nolug@nolug.org [mailto:owner-nolug@nolug.org] On Behalf Of
>>Brett
>>D. Estrade
>>Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:49 AM
>>To: nolug@nolug.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nolug] BellSouth Wants to Rig the Internet
>>
>>They're not a competitor of mine so I'll say it - fsck'em, they can kiss
>>my lily white ass. There are enough offers of help that this will make
>>no impact, plus it makes them look like whining babies. If they don't
>>want to compete in NO, then that just opens up the door for true
>>competition and is better for us in the long run.
>>
>>Brett
>>
>>On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:09:14 -0600, "Charles Jouglard" <pcguy1@cox.net>
>>said:
>>
>>
>>>Since it is very unprofessional to make comments about competitors I am
>>>only
>>>providing the link.
>>>
>>>To add to the press BellSouth is receiving this week...
>>>
>>>
>>>"Angry BellSouth Withdrew Donation, New Orleans Says"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/02/AR20051202018
5
>
>
>>3.
>>
>>
>>>html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:00:54 -0600, Chris Johnston wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/01/203229&from=rss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>&#65533;
>>>Cheers,
>>>Charles
>>>
>>>
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